A question for a devoted Christian.

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True tolerance is suicidal for it must undermine itself by being tolerant of intolerance.

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Besides Decius, by comparing Christians to Nazis you are perpetuating hate and intolerance of Christians which is the very tactic Hitler used...

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"Hating everyone protects me from elitism."

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But statistical probabability leads to the conclusion that Christians have done far worse in 2000 years than Nazis did in 5.

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I said one should be aware that Christians are not different than Nazis in their views towards homosexuals

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I'm not picketing to protest your intolerance. But Christians picket to prevent gays from being married

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"Speak out, even if what you have to say is unpopular"

If a Church is a legally binding establishment that receives economic subsidization from the government (which it does) then it is bound to perform the duties it is receiving such special treatment for. If it is receiving tax benefits because it can perform marriages then it is a part of the governement body and must do what it is in essence being paid for.

But i do not know if that is the reason churches receive tax benefits. If that has nothing to do with it, I completely dissagree with gays petitioning outside churches. They are independant factions that have the right to marry or not marry whomever they choose to, and gays that may forcefully petition against this is complete hipochrisy.

You have the right to think and do and not do whatever you want as long as you are in no way affecting those that do not wish to be affected. If gays wish to marry outside churches, Christians should bluntly "fuck off".

Do you agree?

"Hating everyone protects me from elitism."

If gays wish to marry it is currently lawful so let them do it. I just don't know why they insist on being married in churches that do not accept their lifestyle.

"Speak out, even if what you have to say is unpopular"

"They" don't... some of them do. In the "being Gay" manual it does not say that they must convert churches.

The problem is that in the "being Christian" manual it says that they must "save" homosexuals.

Hence, if you are willing to permit homosexuals to get married and do not oppose it, then you are not a fully devoted Christian.

"Hating everyone protects me from elitism."

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The problem is that in the "being Christian" manual it says that they must "save" homosexuals.

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Hence, if you are willing to permit homosexuals to get married and do not oppose it, then you are not a fully devoted Christian.

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"Speak out, even if what you have to say is unpopular"

It is an inconsistency to be Christian and permit Gays to exist or get married. but you have basically just accepted that it is okay for them to get married outside of churches.

So you, yourself, do not believe in Christianity based on logic yet you consider yourself a Christian.

My point is, you are not a Christian because you have a logical mind. Christianity is an organization, not a belief system, very similar to American patriotism. You are taught to believe whatever they want you to, they promise you a group to belong to and that you will be "taken care of" in the long term as long as you provide them your undying support and loyalty in the short term.

No belief system or group is trustworthy if one of their mottos is "don't question us, otherwise you are out of the group". Nazis were like that, patriots are like that, and Christians and Muslims are like that.

My guess is homosexuality is one of the biggest headaches in the minds of Christian leaders, because the obvious bigotry it represents is being acknowledged more and more. I personally know many Christians who avoid the question of Homosexuals altogether because they cannot accept damning them because, well, there simply isn't anything legitimately wrong with being a homosexual.

I mean, if even ONE thing in the bible defies the concept of love and understanding, then that acts as a precedent clearly stating that everything in the bible must be questioned.

If you have homosexual friends, then you know that whether or not they are gay, they still have good souls and there is no way a loving god would send them to hell for being gay, a condition that may very well not be a choice but rather a genetic trait.

"Hating everyone protects me from elitism."

You have a great deal of ignorance on the matter of Christianity. First of all being gay is unimportant, being a murderer is unimportant, being a Nazi is unimportant. The only important point to Christianity Is Jesus. Everything after that is just circumstancial. Sure Christians have strong views about gays but this is because it is a stumbling block. I do not have all the answer but I think they exist and I will argue til I find them. To be a devoted Christian one must put faith in God alone. There is no requirement to protest anything, but as Christians are human they like to make their opinions heard. Also I have never heard any Christian say that we should not question God or the Bible in fact this is encouraged. Homosexuality is a choice. You could be gay if you wanted I could be too if I so chose to be. No body has a good soul if they insist on living in sin.

"Speak out, even if what you have to say is unpopular"

So as long as I believe in jesus (in whatever way you mean) I can rape your mother and you will love me as a devoted Christian?

"Hating everyone protects me from elitism."

If you truly believed in Jesus you would not rape my mother.

"Speak out, even if what you have to say is unpopular"

...says the bible, the ruleset, that also states that homosexuals are bad, along with murderers.

"Hating everyone protects me from elitism."

Ok so rape should be acceptable?

"Speak out, even if what you have to say is unpopular"

The problem with homosexuality is the degradation of the family system. Now the Canadian court is being asked to change the definition of adultery to include same sex affairs. The fact that heterosexual couples break up so that homosexual couples can form would imply that people are choosing to be gay rather than being born gay. So now we tolerate these attacks on marriage and what hope do children have when they are raised in homes so unstable? Sure marriage is dying but must we outright kill it?

"Speak out, even if what you have to say is unpopular"

ether whats the prpoblem if gays are always a minority? if you agree that its not a straight person choosing to be gay (not a choice well a genetic choice but not a choice eveeryone can make.. unless all of our genes turn gay then whats the problm f its aways minority??

"no quote until i copyright it.."

In my belief God couldn't possibly be too stricted. If God made this world as it is and made you the way you are then he isn't that strict. He, however, wants people to control their sinful thoughts. He judges by what you decide to do about your homosexuality.