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A question for a devoted Christian.

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1347 Posts / 41M
     :   23yrs   :  
etherealmeekle

In the begining there was no need for being made clean until Adam and Eve sinned.

God has the ability to know all things but sometimes He chooses to not know, He has the ability to be all places but there are places He chooses not to go, He has the ability to use all power but on some occasions He chooses to use less


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184 Posts / 39M
     :   21yrs   :  
TRANCEND

if adam and eve sinned as the first to be created then obviously there was need.


"\WHEN YOU CANGE THE WAY YOU LOOK AT THINGS THE THINGS YOU LOOK AT CHANGE"

210 Posts / 40M
     :   32yrs   :  
PeteSmith

No, we choose to sin. God gave us that choice. It is part of being created in the image of God.

Our choice has brought sin into the world, not God.

You see we can only experience true love if we have a choice not to love.

When we chose to call God a liar (he told us we would surely die if we ate the fruit, Adam & Eve said nonsense), sin entered the world.

Also God will NEVER violate our free will. If he had stopped Adam & Eve before they ate the fruit, they would not have been free would they!

Finally, sin means to 'miss the mark'. God set the boundaries in which we should live. When we violate those boundaries we miss Gods best for our lives. Gods best for us is far greater than we could ever hope or dream. God is the only one that knows what will make us happy (since he created us).





""What we do in life echoes in eternity" Maximus"

1347 Posts / 41M
     :   23yrs   :  
etherealmeekle

quote:
if adam and eve sinned as the first to be created then obviously there was need.


The only need was Satan's desire to destroy what God had made.


"Speak out, even if what you have to say is unpopular"

184 Posts / 39M
     :   21yrs   :  
TRANCEND

but as soon as adam and eve sinned there is now need to be cleaned.


"\WHEN YOU CANGE THE WAY YOU LOOK AT THINGS THE THINGS YOU LOOK AT CHANGE"

210 Posts / 40M
     :   32yrs   :  
PeteSmith

Yes!


""What we do in life echoes in eternity" Maximus"

1788 Posts / 65M
     :   56yrs   :  
cturtle

Sin entered the world when they part took of the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good & evil (right & wrong) according to the OT. one could point to Eve's acceptance of the serpent (Angel Satan) word over GOD's. On the other hand, they could have eaten of fruit of tree of life?


"Terrorist or tyrant, few may come to the Truth that both are poor choice."

1347 Posts / 41M
     :   23yrs   :  
etherealmeekle

Had they eaten of the tree of life after eating from the tree of knowledge of good and evil then there would be no hope for humanity. Which is why God guarded the tree and now grants access to those you come to it through Jesus


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184 Posts / 39M
     :   21yrs   :  
TRANCEND

so why are we expected to follow all his rules, if we are also expected to sin?


"\WHEN YOU CANGE THE WAY YOU LOOK AT THINGS THE THINGS YOU LOOK AT CHANGE"

210 Posts / 40M
     :   32yrs   :  
PeteSmith

God does not wish us to sin. We choose to sin.

Only Gods transforming power can give us the power to overcome sin.

Read Romans 7:7-25
http://www.blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/tools/printer-friendly.pl?book=R
om&chapter=7&version=nkjvp&Go.x=22&Go.y=11




""What we do in life echoes in eternity" Maximus"

1347 Posts / 41M
     :   23yrs   :  
etherealmeekle

Jesus makes us clean, the rules are obeyed as an offering of thanks. If someone saves your life chances are you will want to show them that you appreciate their efforts.


"Speak out, even if what you have to say is unpopular"

184 Posts / 39M
     :   21yrs   :  
TRANCEND

so the rules are to be followed to show thanks, not because it is the right thing to do?


"\WHEN YOU CANGE THE WAY YOU LOOK AT THINGS THE THINGS YOU LOOK AT CHANGE"

1347 Posts / 41M
     :   23yrs   :  
etherealmeekle

It is only the right thing to do because God said it. A Christian obeys God for it is right to do so. Sometimes obeying God means breaking the law for example in China it is still hazzardous to be open about Christianity but this doesn't stop the illegal Bible studies.


"Speak out, even if what you have to say is unpopular"

184 Posts / 39M
     :   21yrs   :  
TRANCEND

so the rules shouldn't be obeyed simply to show thanks?


"\WHEN YOU CANGE THE WAY YOU LOOK AT THINGS THE THINGS YOU LOOK AT CHANGE"

1347 Posts / 41M
     :   23yrs   :  
etherealmeekle

The only way to show thanks is by obeying the rules (God's not man's)


"Speak out, even if what you have to say is unpopular"

A question for a devoted Christian.
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