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1334 Posts / 42M
     :   22yrs   :  
summit

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people are equal the lifestyle is not


mate stop contridicting yourself!!!!!! if you prejudge and disrespect their lifestyle you are not saying that they are equal! logic

incest- irrelevently debatable to my arguement.


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1347 Posts / 41M
     :   23yrs   :  
etherealmeekle

It is not a contradiction. A person is no less human because of his actions. Actions are not equal but people are.
Answer the incest question, or do you prejudge that behaviour?


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1347 Posts / 41M
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etherealmeekle

Think about actions and people. If we are more or less depending on our actions then how do we compare to people like Ghandi or Mother Theresa? We would be less equal than them, but we would be more equal than a person like Saddam Hussein.


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1334 Posts / 42M
     :   22yrs   :  
summit

a definition of incest: Sexual relations between persons who are so closely related that their marriage is illegal or forbidden by custom.
NOTICE- the term ILLEGAL . at a personal level who cares if it is a legal moral code! this is moral judgement from others on what shouldn't be accepted. it is not my moral judgement.
No i do not prejudge it! as i've already established prejudgement is extreme disrespect and against my morals of equity.

No one is more or less equal


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1347 Posts / 41M
     :   23yrs   :  
etherealmeekle

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NOTICE- the term ILLEGAL


Homosexuality used to be illegal too... People are trying to make it legal so when it becomes legal what will you think of it?


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1347 Posts / 41M
     :   23yrs   :  
etherealmeekle

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No one is more or less equal



Exaclty, this is why we assess equality based on people not actions.


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1334 Posts / 42M
     :   22yrs   :  
summit

thats sad. law will never be equal for all.


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1347 Posts / 41M
     :   23yrs   :  
etherealmeekle

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thats sad. law will never be equal for all.


So you challenge the law because it is unequal and therefore doesn't reach your moral standards? Are you now above the law?


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1334 Posts / 42M
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summit



of course i challenge the law. it is unequal for all in certain areas. law is a term. it is not a personality


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1347 Posts / 41M
     :   23yrs   :  
etherealmeekle

The whole purpose of law is to discriminate this is why we have jails.
The law is flawed because it creates loopholes. Homosexuality is a huge legal loophole? So if you challenge the law you challenge its loopholes therefore you challenge homosexuals.


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2841 Posts / 93M
     :   28yrs   :  
Decius

The concept of judging intolerance is not, in any way, similar to the judgement one may make towards homosexuals.

Homosexuals are not scientifically proven to be a harm to those around them, hence to judge them as morally wrong has no basis. It is intolerance without any real justification.

Whereas the concept of murder, and also Christian intolerance, are both characteristics within individuals that affect other individuals that may not want to be affected.

This creates a very distinct divergence between different moral beliefs. Some affect others in negative ways when they may not want to be affected, and others protect the individual liberties and rights of individuals.

For Christianity to state, openly, that homosexuals are sinful, and in the old testament that they should be put to death, clearly places Christianity in the similar realm of Nazism.

It is a stereotype that is in no way statistically or scientifically proven, and is placed on individuals who have little say in being a part of the group they are being stereotyped for.

If you can, in any way, logically and statistically prove to me that there is somehow a large difference between the way Nazis regarded gays and the way Christians regard gays, i'd be all ears. The very fact that there is very little difference between the two is frightening, for Nazis punished gays for being gay in the exact same manner that they punished Jews. This means that Christianity has the potential to support conduct that could very well result in mass killing.

Hence, if a Christian wishes to seperate their intolerent and illogical beliefs about gays from those of Nazis, they must accept gays and their unplanned choice of lifestyle. if they do not, they are no different than nazis, and therefore have the same capabilitied as them.

Which is a moot point since Christians have murdered more innocents under the guise of moral conduct than Nazis since the advent of the religion.


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1347 Posts / 41M
     :   23yrs   :  
etherealmeekle

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For Christianity to state, openly, that homosexuals are sinful, and in the old testament that they should be put to death, clearly places Christianity in the similar realm of Nazism.


Killing a gay as punishment for that behaviour is no more a Nazi tactic than killing a murderer for his offense.

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and also Christian intolerance, are both characteristics within individuals that affect other individuals that may not want to be affected.


Did it occur to you that your so called tolerant views "affect other individuals that may not want to be affected."?

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Hence, if a Christian wishes to seperate their intolerent and illogical beliefs about gays from those of Nazis, they must accept gays and their unplanned choice of lifestyle. if they do not, they are no different than nazis, and therefore have the same capabilitied as them.



As Christians we are to love gays and show them that they are living in an unhealthy manner we do not punish them we simply are to encourage them to choose a different path.. People do stop being gay it is a choice.

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Which is a moot point since Christians have murdered more innocents under the guise of moral conduct than Nazis since the advent of the religion.


This is based on what information?


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2841 Posts / 93M
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Decius

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Killing a gay as punishment for that behaviour is no more a Nazi tactic than killing a murderer for his offense.

Obviously you completely ignored the first half of my post that stated:
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The concept of judging intolerance is not, in any way, similar to the judgement one may make towards homosexuals.

Homosexuals are not scientifically proven to be a harm to those around them, hence to judge them as morally wrong has no basis. It is intolerance without any real justification.

Whereas the concept of murder, and also Christian intolerance, are both characteristics within individuals that affect other individuals that may not want to be affected.

This creates a very distinct divergence between different moral beliefs. Some affect others in negative ways when they may not want to be affected, and others protect the individual liberties and rights of individuals.

Have you read it this time? I hope so. Then we may actually get somewhere.

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Did it occur to you that your so called tolerant views "affect other individuals that may not want to be affected."?

Sure it ocurred to me. I thought about it, and then realized that the only people it affects are intolerant people. Which goes back to my original point. If you are intolerant of gays, why should you be protected by the "freedom of thought"? If you choose to impose your ideas on others, then you have no rights whatsoever. Most people who think like me don't try to change Christians, they just reject their attempts at control or influence over them.

Only a complete fool would not understand the difference between two people fighting, one who is defending his right to live and the other trying to take the other person's right to live. Putting them in the same category is assanine.

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As Christians we are to love gays and show them that they are living in an unhealthy manner we do not punish them we simply are to encourage them to choose a different path.. People do stop being gay it is a choice.

No, as Christians who believe in the old testament you are supposed to KILL them. If you can't KILL them, then you must influence them so they go to heaven. If you do not, you are a bad Christian.

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>Which is a moot point since Christians have murdered >more innocents under the guise of moral conduct than Nazis >since the advent of the religion.

This is based on what information?



I'm going to make a seperate thread just for you to answer your question.


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1334 Posts / 42M
     :   22yrs   :  
summit

Ethereal- you need to read the posts more carefully


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1347 Posts / 41M
     :   23yrs   :  
etherealmeekle

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No, as Christians who believe in the old testament you are supposed to KILL them. If you can't KILL them, then you must influence them so they go to heaven. If you do not, you are a bad Christian.



You are wrong on this point. The Old Testament was completed and Christians live under a new law that is Jesus Christ. Get your facts straight before judging something you do not understand

Besides Decius, by comparing Christians to Nazis you are perpetuating hate and intolerance of Christians which is the very tactic Hitler used...

True tolerance is suicidal for it must undermine itself by being tolerant of intolerance.

And also the Nazis are responsible for over 50 million deaths in a five year period, I highly doubt that you will find such a comparison amongst Christian hate crimes.


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