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Why Do You NOT Believe In God?

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 38yrs • M •
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Why Do You NOT Believe In God?
After reading the thread "Why do you believe in God," I believe it's more reasonable if one ask the same question in the negated form, ie; "Why do you NOT believe in God?". Thus, I felt a new thread was valid. There is a reason I framed the question that way, and it's based simply on "odds."

Before I go further, I wish to say that I don't believe in God simply because my "odds" are better, as I intend to show. However, there was a need to break things down in a form we humans can grasp, since we tend to reject everything that doesn't APPEAR to benefit us. Afterall, if you were to bet on a dice game, and were told there was absolutely no chance for you to win, how many of us will still bet? Believe it or not, many who don't believe there is a God, are doing just that... but betting with their own lives!

[Note: When I mention "God," I'm not refering to some mere feeling that you have suggesting "there's 'something' out there," and definitely not some powerless IdoL of worship. No, by "God" I'm refering to OUR heavenly Father, the everlasting God]


Still with me? OK, My claim is that:

The odds are against the non-believer

The "odds" are strikingly obvious, but don't take my word for it, see for yourself, in the simplest of terms...

Imagine a non-believer and a believer enter a bet. The terms of the bet is: If there is a God, then the believer wins. If there is no God, then the non-believer wins. Consider both scenarios below.

Scenario 1
Both people die and it turns out that there is no God. So the non-believer wins. But does it matter now?!! There is no God, thus "after-life"... just utter non-existence. Can the non-believer feel gratified in being right, if they cease to exist? Likewise, can the believer feel sorrow because they were wrong? They both meet the same fate, regardless!

Scenario 2
Now imagine, if you will, the other scenario; Both people die, but it turns out there IS a God. So the believer wins. Let's see the difference.

-- Unlike the first case, this time there WILL BE gratification for being right, and the believer receives all the God had promised.

-- Unlike the first case, this time there WILL BE sorrow for being wrong, and the non-believer will have all eternity(in torment) to regret their rebellion against their own Creator.

[Note: Eternal torment in Hell was meant to be the punishment for the Devil, but unfortunately he seems intent on taking many of God's precious children with him, by deceiving them in anyway he can succeed. But the Savior Jesus Christ was sent to gather as many astray "sheep" as possible back into God's barn before that day we all heard so much about, but scoff at.... Judgement]

That scenario was overly simplistic, but it was intentional. Point being; the believer has nothing to lose and everything to gain, while the non-believer has nothing to gain, but everything to lose. I don't want to offend anyone here, but only a fool would enter a bet where there is ABSOLUTELY NO CHANCE of winning.

Sadly, that's the game some are already playing today. A game where they can only lose.

I had intended to share a much more deeper message than this, however, I decided to with-hold it for now for the simple fact that; If one cannot graps this EARTHLY concept of "odds and chances," then there is no way they'll be open-minded to a more spiritual message.

I will say this though...

We weren't put on this earth to live for the pathetic expectancy of 70 years(if that lucky), only to trade that in for pertual non-existence, after we "kick the bucket." Don't ever foolishly come to that conclusion without exhausting your search for truth.

Jesus Christ is that truth, and wants YOU to seek HIM with the questions raised in that thread. He WILL keep his word:

"Ask, and it shall be given to you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you" -- Matthew 7:7

I challenge you non-believers to read The New Testament of the Bible... just Matthew for now (as I am currently doing)
I'm more hoping you accept this challenge, and I care about swift replies. (I already know what it's like to not believe. It's not fair for some that barely konw what Jesus is about to come out throwing punches in a debate, concerning my faith in God)

Don't read it because you are seeking religion, nore hoping to satisfy your preconceived notion about God, or lack thereof, nor even with a fear that you may have to change your thinking.

I'm saying to you; Read it with genuine questions(or even doubt) in your heart. I guarantee you'll begin to experience Truth as you realize that there is power in the Word of Christ. I'm not talking about the kind of truth professors or scientists teach us, but an endowment of divine Truth which your mind, body and spirit can neither explain or deny.

My intention is not to "convert" anyone, or prove them wrong, nor even to urge you to understand the faith of those who believe. My real hope is that you experience all you ever wanted to know by yourself. Just know that OUR Heavenly Father loves us so much that he didn't hide the truth from us, but preserved throughout many generation so all may see it. Since biblical times, many civilzations have been build upon others, great literatures perished, treasures burried, architechtural skill lost, where buildings fell, others risen, but his word(which can be found in the Bible) still stands, and is not only accessible today, but literally saturated throughout the world. Clearly, He WANTED us to know!

The only thing keeping us from the joy of knowing is our own and obstinancy and fear in what the Truth might reveal. I'll tell you this, from first-hand experience... this is unexplainable joy in the Truth. A joy not of this world!

If you truly want to increase your "odds" then you must also be thinking: "Even so, it's not like I can simply say 'I believe in God now' and that'll help me."
Surely, you are correct. You may want to take my challenge that I proposed a while ago. Also, If you wish to ask me anything personally, via email, feel absolute free, and I respond as best as I can. My address is:

[email=Jos-One@verizon.net]My email [/email]

God Bless!


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"Behold the fowls of the air; for they sow not, neither do they reap... yet your heavenly Father feedeth them. Are ye[God's childern] not much better than they?"
 33yrs • M •
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Have you heard of Xopotecnex religion? It involves worshiping the one and only creator/fertility God. If you don't worship him, you will be at the wrong end of various porn movies for all eternity.

I worship Xopotecnex, I reckon its safer.

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"Durch Nacht und Blut das Licht"
 34yrs • M •
A CTL of 1 means that Domz0r is a contributing member of Captain Cynic.
I personally do not belive in God, and many may find my views simplistic.

If there was such person as god, why is there so much suffereing in this world?
You get all these innocent people in deprived countries, who die every day for no reason whats so ever, you've seen the news, and the pictures of young children who are starving, and in immense pain.
Why would such a supposedly "mighty" being let this happen?
Wars, why would they happen? To punish the wrong doers right? what about all the innocent victims of war?
Mainly i refer to nagasaki and hurishima (spellings?)
Army Presence? not much
Civilian Presence? major
Why would anything which is supposedly so mighty and powerful let such dreadfull thing happen?

As they say in spider-man, "With great power, comes great responsibleitie"

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"I am Domz0r....roar!!!!"
 38yrs • M •
OryoN is new to Captain Cynic and has less than 15 posts. New members have certain restrictions and must fill in CAPTCHAs to use various parts of the site.
Domz0r

I didn't "believe" at one point either, until I saw and FELT many things for myself. I din't want to remain ignorant all my life, so I seek the truth. Notice I said I seek the truth, not necessarily a religion. I didn't just come to my own conclusions, since I knew that I CAN'T KNOW THE TRUTH OF THIS WORLD, IF THE TRUTH IS WHAT I'M SEEKING. You know that you have found the TRUTH OF LIFE when you are comforted after your search, and you no longer wonder "why this," and "why that". Make it your business to seek the truth man, cause you clearly still have questions about life in this world.

It's not wonder you don't believe there's a God. The sad part is, many see life the way you do. It troubles me that so many people live in this world today, with no sense of why they exist in the first place. Seek the truth while you live, it's not locked up from you.

Read the Bible!! I can't stress this enough. This book has no magical powers, and certainly can't do anything for anyone by them just owning one. It's the words that are in them that has power. Not the physical words on the pages, but the meaning of those words to your spirit. God gave us all a spirit, and only his words can move/affect that it. TAP INTO YOUR SPIRIT! It's not like regular emotions that you're used to feeling, but something unexplainable and powerful that you simply CAN NOT deny. But don't take my word for it, EXPERIENCE IT FOR YOURSELF!!


[Edit: Concerning the problem with your reasoning. It's typical of "man," but sad. We speak about war, violence and suffering, much of which is done/caused BY MAN. Yet, we still have the nerves to suggest that; if there is a God, it's his right to move heaven and earth so OUR wickedness don't come back and bite us in the butt. That speaks volumes of just how wicked we are.

I often get tired and tempted to say that there is no hope for man(I'm just being general here), but I also know that it's not true. God, in all his mercy, STILL left us hope, if only you would seek answers in the scriptures that he have preserved over more than 2000 years. In the end though, I won't care for those who seek not the truth to save themselves. But as for now, it does kinda hurt to see so many on a path that they will eventually have all eternity to regret.]

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"Behold the fowls of the air; for they sow not, neither do they reap... yet your heavenly Father feedeth them. Are ye[God's childern] not much better than they?"
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 33yrs • M •
A CTL of 1 means that Angelfire is a contributing member of Captain Cynic.
Now that we've decided that not believing (that is agnostic, as opposed to atheist) is the natural state of man, until he seeks knowledge. Then he becomes atheist, theist or remembers he's dumb and stays agnostic.

But funny you say I should read the bible! I have my friend :
"20:13 Leviticus
If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."
We must kill all gays.

"21:15 Exodus
And he that smiteth his father, or his mother, shall be surely put to death."
We must kill all kids who insult their parents.

"22:19 Exodus
Whosoever lieth with a beast shall surely be put to death."
We must kill all zoophiles.

"22:20 Exodus
He that sacrificeth unto any god, save unto the LORD only, he shall be utterly destroyed."
We must kill all heathens and pagans.

So, lets assume I am an honest christian who actually reads the bible and practises its teachings. I will now go off on a holy crusade to kill all homosexuals, zoophiles, unruly children, muslims, jews, hindus, pagans, confucians and bhuddists.

Looks like I have some work ahead of me

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"Durch Nacht und Blut das Licht"
 38yrs • M •
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What a desperate attempt, DumbTeen.

LoL, God is so amazing, that he KNEW people would try to spin his words in the Old Testament, therefore, he gave us the New Testament.. try spinning that one!

You don't seem to recognize the the significance in those quotes you so desperately hauled from the Old Testament.

let me break it down some...

God brought these people out of Egypt, on the vows of his promise to Abraham. He lead them out of Egypt so he could be among them. That required many specific preparations that was necessary if He must come down and be among people that aren't holy.

Concerning those quotes, and your misquided conclusions...

These acts were an ABOMINATION to the Lord who IS holy. Period! It's WASN'T the will of man that such people die, as you foolishly implied. It was THE WILL OF GOD, necessary for him to dwel AMONG them(especially in the Alter which they would worship him). God made it clear, pertaining to man's own doing:

Thou Shall Not Kill

Much of these laws were God's will, JUST SO he could dwel with them. I don't think you understand, so I'll give you an example of just how HOLY God is and why those first 5 books in the Bible contained so many things specific to God's holiness, so he could be among his people...

After MANY, MANY SPECIFIC PREPARATIONS, the time had come where God would "appear" in the temple. And so;

"And Nadab and Abihu, the sons of Aaron, took either of them his censer, and put fire therein, and put incense thereon, and offered strange fire before the LORD, which he commanded them not.
And there went out fire from the LORD, and devoured them, and they died before the LORD." -- Leviticus 10: 1-2

Nuff said..

My friend, let me also say, if you read the Bible, read it on a search for truth, not in attempt to satisfy your own preconceived delusions.

Listen, do yourself a favor and read the New Testament

I like the New Testiment because it applies more to our lives today. Afterall, it's our NEW CONTRACT WITH GOD. Because in your attempt to rush through the first 3 books of the Bible on a desperate rush to prove something, only led you to quotes of which you don't understand the nature of.


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"Behold the fowls of the air; for they sow not, neither do they reap... yet your heavenly Father feedeth them. Are ye[God's childern] not much better than they?"
 33yrs • M •
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See I hate that about christians. They interpret the bible as they see fit, they don't what the book says. They don't even come to terms with the books' paradoxes and contradictions.

And people PRETEND that the OT is bullshit. Guess what its not, Jesus said so :
"Mathew 5:17
Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil."
Jesus comes not to replace all the intolerance, hate and killing of the old testament, he comes to accomplish it.

Of course that doesn't mean the NT isn't intolerant :
"3:36 John
He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him. "
That's the 'wrath of God' for 4 billion people and counting!

"Romans 1:31
Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
1:32
Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them."
'Without natural affection' is a clear reference to homosexuals (if you look at the line in context, it becomes even more clear). So God not only thinks that its OK for gays to die, but its a pleasure to Him.

"Mathew19:24
And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God."
If it makes anyone feel better, GW Bush is going to hell. But then, so are 90% of Americans too (we are very RICH compared to biblical times).


Needless to say, there's more. But I've made my point.

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"Durch Nacht und Blut das Licht"
 33yrs • M •
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""And Nadab and Abihu, the sons of Aaron, took either of them his censer, and put fire therein, and put incense thereon, and offered strange fire before the LORD, which he commanded them not.
And there went out fire from the LORD, and devoured them, and they died before the LORD." -- Leviticus 10: 1-2

Nuff said.. "
And what kind of argument is that?

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"Durch Nacht und Blut das Licht"
 38yrs • M •
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DumbTeen, I would truly like to refute eveyone of your replies, but it's becoming a waste of time(perhaps for both of us), so here's the deal...

I've sincerely ask God demonstrate his wonderful power in YOUR life, that YOU may, one day, see the TRUTH of this world. Seeing as he is all-powerful, and his mercy is infinite, it will be done. I'm sure you won't even see it coming, until AFTER the fact. I did ask that I find out, somehow, so I can give glory to God almighty.

In the mean time, quit acting so surprised that wickedness won't save one's soul. Also, PLEASE stop taking text out of context! And quit trying to give -- suggestively-- law on what IS and ISN'T sinful in God's eyes. He IS most holy, we are not.

Maybe if you figure out this parable that Jesus spoke, you'll understand that concept...

" The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:
But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.
But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also.
So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?
He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and and gather them up?
But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.
Let both grow together until the harvest; and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.
"
-- Matthew 13:24-30

That's it for me, man. I'm out, God bless!



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"Behold the fowls of the air; for they sow not, neither do they reap... yet your heavenly Father feedeth them. Are ye[God's childern] not much better than they?"
 33yrs • M •
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Oryon, there may be a God. I doubt it is a christian God. How come, with all the faiths in the world, you happened to choose the one you were raised in?

Secondly, I refuse to take seriously a faith which has an all good God, all powerful but will make 4 billion people alive today burn in hell. I can't believe in a God who thinks sodomy and zoophilia are capital crimes. All this makes the christian faith, in the way you believe it, a backward relic of the middle ages.

In fact, I believe that all religions are basically intolerant. You can look at the Torah, New Testament or Koran, its all the same "chosen people this"; "infidels and heathens that". Its the people who practice the faith, their reason, which decides how tolerant and reasonable they're going to be. Even if their religion is not reasonable.

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"Durch Nacht und Blut das Licht"
 33yrs • M •
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Oh and I forgot to answer your question. Simply, I've never had any life experience that would make me take any sort of God seriously.

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"Durch Nacht und Blut das Licht"
 34yrs • M •
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If i wernt in England, and miss out on the time zones....I would of posted pretty much the same stuff as Dumbteen.

Dumbteen, my good sir....i salute you.


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"I am Domz0r....roar!!!!"
 33yrs • M •
B30mple is new to Captain Cynic and has less than 15 posts. New members have certain restrictions and must fill in CAPTCHAs to use various parts of the site.
hi oryon..
I read your thread and really liked it...
I'm muslim and you know that our God is a lil bit different..(I mean the way we believe in him)..
anyway...can you jus tell me a lil bit about the God you belive in...like do you believe that jesus is son of God...
things like this...
thx

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"be30mple"
 29yrs • F •
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Well...I didn't read any of the thead, but I'll answer the question...
I don't beileve in god because I've never seen him, heard him, or anything like that, I like proof, I need to see it, or hear to believe it. Plus, if he was real and he was as great as the Bible says, then why is there a war? why was there 911? why did the Columbia crash? Why are a bunch of teenage girls getting raped, kidnapped, mudered,pregnant? or just people in general? Then again, there are things that happened that are good, but if you compare them to the bad things, like the ones I just listed, the good things just aren't as big, and there aren't as many. Do you ever pay attention to those little jars and resturaunts that you put money in, that say "Help the children" or those commercials that have those poor, sick people suffering, and think about the third world, all those people in need of help, don't you think if this God guy really exists, then he would do something about it, but everyday, in my oppinioun, and I'm sure plenty of other peoples, the world is NOT getting better. People call me a freak for not believeing, and I'm sure adults think that I'm just a kid that doesn't know any better, well...I do know better, and I know that the poeple who do believe, just don't pay enough attention to the world around them. For a couple years, I moped around feeling sorry about myself because my mom and dad died, but when I realized plenty people had it much, much worse, I felt sorry for them more than myself of course. I always questioned myself "Well!? isn't anyone going to do anything!? and of all the people, can't anyone do something?" If god is real...why is he making the world suffer so much?

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"Love is like a war, Easy to start, Hard to end, Impossible to forget."
 33yrs • M •
B30mple is new to Captain Cynic and has less than 15 posts. New members have certain restrictions and must fill in CAPTCHAs to use various parts of the site.
hi Cara
let me jus give you a brief answer...
i'm muslem...kind of...i'm not religious at all....but I belive in God soooo hardly...u know what i'm saying...
anyway....see....you don't see God...you don't here him...same thing is true about gravity...can you see it?...can you here it?...NO..but you it exist...COZ..you can see the results coz by gravity...you see and apple falling down from a tree..so you would say that you belive in gravity...
same thing is true about God...you can'e see him or hear him...but u can open your eyes and see the result of existence of God....can't you see this world with it's intresting rules...you can even look in the miror...see your self....things you can do...yor complicated body...
do you really think that all these amazing things in this world(and generally whole world) gor created by it self?...or what...
i don't expect you to say ooo...yeah..i see..ok then...there is God....no no ...i'm jus saying...think about it...
there are lots of complicated things in this world that i have no answers for them...not even me...maybe no one has ....but u always have to think about different things and go for the answer...
one more thing....
to answer the rest of your thread..
just coz there are lots of crul things going on this world...it doesn't mean that God is not up there....
let me put it rally simple for u....
i had exactly same Q like you...
see......god made all the rules for this world...and created every thing...then he let us to decide and find our way....
this is a fact that if you put a bulet in a kids(anybody) head...he will die....lets say ....oooooooo soooo there is no God...coz if there was a God up there ...he would prevent it....he should't let a little kid die..he is inocent....but the answer is NO...god has the power to prevent it ..but he won't....coz if he prevents it..then that rule is broken....what if i put a bulet in a kids head and he doesn't die....the i can make him a basketball and play with him...and nothing happens...
you hear what i'm saying..same thing is true about 911...about all wars....
those who do these stuff will get it back ....if not in this world...in the other world they will get it for sure...
sorry...it was supposed to be short...
i hope you read this
coz i think it can help if anyone jus think about it

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