Why Do You NOT Believe In God?

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"sooooooo...u do belive in God as u said"
Stop being a wanker. Im obviously saying, IF there is a God, given the evil rules of the world (if they have intent, if there is a God, the rules have intent), then God must be evil.

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In any case. I've only heard one argument so far in favour of God, the "complex universe" argument. Fallacious as complexity is only relative to our intelligence.

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"Terrorist or tyrant, few may come to the Truth that both are poor choice."

" Is this suppose to be logical? God is good, mankind is not. "
You really don't understand? Of course the normal definition of God is something Good, but this is contradicted by the world.

Why would God make rules in which evil men can slaughter innocent babies?How can it be good that thousands die of hurricanes, earthquakes, fires, floods, droughts and volcanoes? How can it be good to have diseases and famine kill untold millions even today?

These are the consequences of the Rules God Made, not of man. Only the cruellest, dispassionate and cold person would call them Good. Thus God cannot be Good.

"Durch Nacht und Blut das Licht"

I find it hard to tell what answer I should give so . . .

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These are the consequences of the Rules God Made, not of man. Only the cruellest, dispassionate and cold person would call them Good. Thus God cannot be Good.

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Why would God make rules in which evil men can slaughter innocent babies?

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How can it be good that thousands die of hurricanes, earthquakes, fires, floods, droughts and volcanoes? How can it be good to have diseases and famine kill untold millions even today?

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"Terrorist or tyrant, few may come to the Truth that both are poor choice."

" Did not GOD give man over to his (man's) waywardness?"
Tell that to the deadbaby. 'I'm sorry, but God (in his infinite goodness) has decided to make rules in which you will die unjustly"

"Hmm . . didn't ya'll raise the same comments about GOD's intervention in the affairs of man?"
Im not talking about interference, but about the rules themselves. God made shitty rules because people die because of them (in the form of disasters beyond man's control).

"It was really great to see people coming together, sharing with others and thepeople, who came to give a helping hand & the support given to meet their needs."
The holocaust was really sad. 6 million dead jews and 5 million dead gays, commies and gypsies. But wasn't it great to see Russians and Americans friendly, united against the Germans? /sarcasm

"Durch Nacht und Blut das Licht"

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'I'm sorry, but God (in his infinite goodness) has decided to make rules in which you will die unjustly"

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"Terrorist or tyrant, few may come to the Truth that both are poor choice."

why argue with relion if you know only one f#cking one is true? "he will nener leave us or forsake us"

"hullo"

"I'm sorry too, but God made the rules but man chooses not to adhere to them."
You misunderstand, by rules I meant laws of the universe. That is, that things fall down, that men are made by God in a certain way, that the world is so completely imperfect.

In fact you raise a good point. What sort of ALL GOOD and ALL POWERFUL God would make a world so hostile to man and so imperfect that man has to make his own rules? Why does man have to make laws and rules to replace the ones God gave us in order to have a just society?

"Durch Nacht und Blut das Licht"

lol
sounds like we are going around a circle...
what ever we say..u would say what kind of God is that, that made ....yada yada yada...

u wanna know what kind of God is that...
that's this kind of God...(the one that made whatever rules)
to me u look confuse....we are not discusting weather these rules are right or wrong(which is right as far as i understand)
we are discusting weather there is a God or not...
the rule thing is jus showing us that there is someone who made them...
if u want to discuss about rules, u should start it like this.........>OK....let's say there is a God...what kind of God ..whatever..
poooooh...anyways these discussions over net seems pointless to me...
so God bless every one...
ba bye%%-

"be30mple"

Ya, I have to agree Why would something (god) create something (life) then give nothing (man) domain over it & allow this being free-will?
Why not make us the same as other animals that would certainly reduced our destructive tendencies? How about human automatons . . . nature of the beast?

"Terrorist or tyrant, few may come to the Truth that both are poor choice."

"to me u look confuse....we are not discusting weather these rules are right or wrong(which is right as far as i understand)"
You are completely missing the point arent you?

Let me be clear : God is ALL GOOD if he exists. Therefore all the rules SHOULD be ALL GOOD.

However the rules are SHITTY, therefore God cannot be ALL GOOD because an ALL GOOD God wouldnt make EVIL rules would he? So there is either NO GOD or an EVIL GOD.

Thus, the rules of this world are COMPLETELY RELEVANT to whether or not there is a christian/muslim God.

" How about human automatons . . . nature of the beast?"
Some would argue we are automatons. I certainly think so. Our consciousneses are spectators to the actions our bodies commit, not actors per se. But that's another debate.

"Durch Nacht und Blut das Licht"

what is good? thats easy,the opposite of evil. What is evil? the opposite of good. What would good be without evil? Not good, because you would have no concept of good, without evil,and vice versa.
Clearly, the world is not ALL good, and we realize this because we have the concept of evil. You need one or the other.
The idea that god is all good, is absurd. If he were all good, he would have no concept of evil. In order to have a concept of evil, you must know what evil is, and it must exist somewhere inside of you. Not that you necessarily act out on it, but its in there, somewhere, otherwise you wouldnt have a concept of evil, and therefore no good.
If god was all good, we would also need a god that was all evil. God would have to be half good, and half evil...

""That all knowledge begins with experience, there can be no doubt...""

plus, good and evil, are just way too subjective

""That all knowledge begins with experience, there can be no doubt...""

I have read all versions of the bible from cover to cover, and not a whole lot of people can say that.

I am still, however, agnostic. I don't disbelieve there is a chance of there being a god, I simply choose not tobelieve there is one, but still keeping an open mind, incase there is ever a miracle to prove all the non-believers wrong.

And see, thats where I don't believe in Christianity, and I have tried several times to believe in it, but it is impossible for me.

There are several reasons, one being that purely Christianity is basically made up from the building blocks of Archaic Religions.

Christmas was the English Druidian Yule, or the Winter Equinox, celebrating the beginning of a new life, or year. It was held on the 21st of December, just a few days before the conveniently timed birth of the Messiah (note - it was actually found that Jesus was not born on December 25th, but more precisely, around June 21st. Also Conveniently dated, as this was the date of the Summer Equinox.)

The same counts for Hallowe'en (Samhein - The end of harvest, and beginning of death - held October 31st) Easter (Oestre - The beginning of harvest and prosperity for the land)

and several other Christian holidays. Look it up for yourself if you don't believe me.

Secondly, if god was truely omnicient, he would destroy the devil, and save his own creations to paradise. And if not, I subdue myself to say that God has the same responsibility and feeling equivalent of a 10 year old looking after a tank of Sea Monkeys.

Thirdly, you don't have to believe in God to believe in an afterlife. Just exactley as we were put here by our parents, we will die and be reborn in different circumstances and in a different world next time around, with a fresh memory and free of "sin" if you will.

Good and Evil are most definatley subjective.

There really is no way of making out the two.

Sure, someone might say, well, shooting someone out of malice is evil, but is it ?

Gazelle's, Alligator's, Giraffe's, Penguins, and Marmot's alike would gladly kill another if it meant their survival or progression in life, much like humans would.

Apologies over the length of the post, but I feel its got my opinions out

Oooh, and yes, I do know alot about pretty much all religions. I could be a scholar if I wanted to, but I dont, so, there you have it.

"Ég gaf ykkur von varš aš vonbrigšum.... Petta er įgętis byrjun"

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Christmas was the English Druidian Yule, or the Winter Equinox, celebrating the beginning of a new life, or year. The same counts for Hallowe'en (Samhein - The end of harvest, and beginning of death - held October 31st) Easter (Oestre - The beginning of harvest and prosperity for the land)

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Secondly, if god was truely omnicient, he would destroy the devil, and save his own creations to paradise.
Thirdly, you don't have to believe in God to believe in an afterlife.

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Sure, someone might say, well, shooting someone out of malice is evil, but is it ?

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"Terrorist or tyrant, few may come to the Truth that both are poor choice."

Joshua 24:19 - And Joshua said unto the people, Ye cannot serve the LORD: for he is an holy God; he is a jealous God; he will not forgive your transgressions nor your sins.

Exodus 20:5 - Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;


Jesus never advocated violence ?

Well, his Dad certainly did.

"Ég gaf ykkur von varš aš vonbrigšum.... Petta er įgętis byrjun"