Why Do You NOT Believe In God?

cturtle, for you kind words I thank you, flattery will get you everywhere.

"The Greatest Enemy of Knowledge is Not Ignorance, It is the ILLUSION of Knowledge. Stephen Hawking"

it's mind boggling to me how anyone can know for sure. you'll never know for sure until you die. even then, you won't really know unless there is a god.

Faith is just another form of laziness.

"Durch Nacht und Blut das Licht"

i see your point.
not sure if i agree with it, but i see where you're coming from.

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I have a question, in the bible does it say that either god or jesus told anyone to write the scriptures, I think I remember things of that nature especially as the point of some prophets and such, apostles perhaps. Because I know there to be debate on Jesus' desire for organized religion and churches but that is of the same point really.

tangent (And that last proposed questions scenario would go something like this then: "Hear me, for I am you God, I bring you a command of the highest order, as my loyal servant you will right down everything I say, why?, because I tried once, I wrote some stuff on some stone tablets, but appearantly everyone is tablet illiterate, cause nobody listened, and quite frankly it was too damn much work and you guys screwed it all up, so now you are going to write it, and it ain't gonna be no 2 tablets worth I guarantee, you ungreatful little bastard", the scribe or prophett,"Would you like fries with that sir, extra salt right?", " Of course, now snap to.

"The Greatest Enemy of Knowledge is Not Ignorance, It is the ILLUSION of Knowledge. Stephen Hawking"

the bible wasnt written all at once. the old testament is a collection of books documenting the Jews, God's chosen people. the new testament is mostly a group of letters written by different people, apostles of Jesus, that speak of Jesus's life and teachings and the early church.

Jesus said "Go and make discipled of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the father, and the son, and the holy spirit..." this would have been impossible without some sort of organized church.

"life sucks but its better than the alternative"

firstly I know about the new and old testaments and the many people I just didn't say that cause that was a funny in my head that I let out.

But still I do mean very specifically as to whether the bibles mentions where they got the text or information for it, was it simple accountings (perhaps understood to be imbelishments at one time or even still rock hard beliefs but beliefs still in storys?) Or is it truly the word or god, and who can say, no one except those with faith, how convenient. Making a judgement of validity based on a hunch because something would be hard otherwise, firstly is complete supposistion, second, is irresponsible when dealing with issues of the basis for a belief, and third, again undermines the power of god and jesus the wholy spirit the easter bunny whatever.

But all of that is actually irrelevant to the question of what actually did happen, did he want a religion built or a message sent, did he say write a bible, did god, did he say perform acts of worship, what did they say were the signs and proof of false prophetts?

Even then they knew we can only be shown by miracles, yet the still expect everyone to just believe, and appearantly people do.

Is there credibility to the claim that a religion system, as a form of government even , was or was not jesus' wish? That I guess is the question, has both Jesus and God allowed for even the desicration of their house? While rich evangelist rob poor or even rich believers blind, in the name of god.

Is this what Jesus and god wanted, and if not, who takes the blame for religion being fucked up, religious people don't take responsibility so don't ask them, they either are being controlled or instructed by god or choosing out busy sinning but not in any way that gets them sent to hell or anything mind you.

"The Greatest Enemy of Knowledge is Not Ignorance, It is the ILLUSION of Knowledge. Stephen Hawking"

just because one calls themselves a Christian doesnt mean they are. religious leaders that do the things you speak of are practicign un-Christian principles. dont miss the distintion between Christians and religious people.

"life sucks but its better than the alternative"

sinning is an un-christian principle while being both a christian invention in accordance with their rules all while being deemed wrong but exscuseable, so even christian leaders that do wrongs are covered and just as faithful a christian as you , a sinner as well, or do you claim not to sin?

"The Greatest Enemy of Knowledge is Not Ignorance, It is the ILLUSION of Knowledge. Stephen Hawking"

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did he say write a bible, did god

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a sinner as well, or do you claim not to sin?

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"Terrorist or tyrant, few may come to the Truth that both are poor choice."

Byt the beliefs of either science or religion I'm not sure we are actually capable of making a right judgement, possibly leaving all as bad judgement thus leading to sin by you logic, and i do know bible or just cristian teahcings says you are not supposed to judge, but did they actually say it was a sin? You say no, right cturtle, but but what is something that you are not supposed to do by the system of religion if not a sin?

"The Greatest Enemy of Knowledge is Not Ignorance, It is the ILLUSION of Knowledge. Stephen Hawking"

Yes it does say to write things down in the bible.

And the 10 Commandments were written by the hand of God.

Facts;
The Old Testament was the Bringing to the Cvenant between God and man.
Adam and Eve brought up (AS cturtle spoke of) a barrier to God.

The times continued onward, with evidence that although God loved man, man repeatedly offended Him by their dismisal of Him.

Hence we had the great flood, the other disasters, such as Soddam and Gomorrah, and several plagues.

But all in all, this was always God's way of showing mankind, that He still exists, and has no qualms to destroy those who refuse to give Him back what is de Him. Respect, Love, and Honor.

Prophets were given orders to SHOW the ppl what God desired.

Prophets were given 'foresight'. These are where they are told about the Messiah.

The Messiah came, just as spoken thru the ancient writings, and becuase He came to fulfill, and change the hard laws, we have the New Testament.
IN the New Testament, we have Jesus telling us that all men will be judged according to their sins.
He tells us the sins.
Homosexuality remains a sin, shall always remain so, b4 the dight of God.

the difference is this, Jesus said they shall persh but it will the choice of God to throw them into Hell for their sins.
Instead of putting them on trial and having them deemed lawless in the 'courts'. NO longer were they stoned, or persecuted. BUT left to God to sort out.

Jesus also asked we tell them of this situation to save them.

IF they know, but ignore, it is totally on them, and you are wiped clean from ignoring the plight their soul is in.

DT, my accounts are accurate.

"Life is full of lemons, and the lemonade is sweet."

As you judge so are you judged. In the world actions (judgements) lead to reactions (consequences).
In the world, one may learn from mistakes, is ths true of the other world (heaven) as well?
If not there is a distinction to be made between the acts of the two?

"Terrorist or tyrant, few may come to the Truth that both are poor choice."

Pat, you say your accounts are accurate, but what of you interpretations?

When you said people would be dismissive of god and god would give em a flood or something, you realize you make him sound like a jealous spouse.

"The Greatest Enemy of Knowledge is Not Ignorance, It is the ILLUSION of Knowledge. Stephen Hawking"

"DT, my accounts are accurate."
Well that depends? Do we have any other sources apart from the Bible which confirm this? Do we have physical remains of Soddom and Gomorrha? Do we have even an once of proof that God slaughters non-christians/sinners more then christians?

Your accounts need evidence, the bible is one book among many.

"Durch Nacht und Blut das Licht"