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Why Do You NOT Believe In God?

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4001 Posts / 51M
     :   31yrs   :  
Ironwood

And what about women with women, with that kind of clarification it seems as if it is excluded.

Do women of today really want to be associated with how women were treated in times of the bible. The right to vote and women in the workplace did not come about because of the bible, religious people I do believe I remember hearing (even religious women) were initially against such things as women's sufferage or working women. And the right to choose, is almost soley a debate because of religion, and not well founded so far as I've seen, even by the bible.


"The Greatest Enemy of Knowledge is Not Ignorance, It is the ILLUSION of Knowledge. Stephen Hawking"

369 Posts / 67M
     :   41yrs   :  
Patrish

quote:
Leviticus 18:22:
"You shall not lie with a male as those who lie with a female; it is an abomination."

Leviticus 20:13:
"If a man lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination and they shall surely be put to death."



One thing I see over and over again is the implicit misinterpretations that exude thru the society today.
FOR one thing, let me explain what death is...we are NOT talking a mortal death...but the souls death.

The essence within a man or woman...si the soul.
The souls death is hell. Death is an absence from God.
God is in heaven, that is life!

And another issue we have is 'judgement for breaking laws.

IF we are practiving something against the law...can we be condemned by that same law?
Yes we can?

Can we be put to death for killing?
Indeed we can, as they could back then.

The differences we have now are OUR laws do NOT reflect their laws because we have the NT.
But alas you say, they did NOT kill anyone.

Beg pardon, but according to the laws of God the sins of the flesh killed the mans soul...to God.

Our bodies are His temple. He built it, His spirit dwells in it, as a part of Him OUR souls are His.

Man is hard of heart...and so those he cannot dwell in, are dead to HIM.

The new laws thru Christ also state to not commit fornications in the acts of homosexuality.... but the death will be to the man's soul.


"Life is full of lemons, and the lemonade is sweet."

369 Posts / 67M
     :   41yrs   :  
Patrish

Romans 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;



Lev 18: 22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.


Col 1:28 Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect (peacable) in Christ Jesus:


"Life is full of lemons, and the lemonade is sweet."

369 Posts / 67M
     :   41yrs   :  
Patrish

Romans 1: 18-32
For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and wickedness of those men who in wickness hold back the truth of God, seeing that what may be known about God is manifest to them. For since the creation of the world his invisible attributes are clearly seen--His everlasting power also and divinity--being understood through the things that are made. And so they are without excuse, seeing that, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God or give thanks, but became vain in their reasonings, and their senseless minds have been darkened. For while professing to be wise, they have become fools, and they have changed the glory of the incorruptible God for an image made like corruptible man and to birds and four footed beasts and creeping things.
Therefore God has given them up in the lustful desires of their heart to uncleanness, so that they dishonor their own bodies among themselves--they who exchanged the natural use for that which is AGAINST nature, and in like manner the men also, having abandoned the natural use of woman, have burned in their lusts one towards another, men with men doing shameless things and recieving in themselves the fitting recompense of their perversity. And as they have resolved against possessing the knowledge of God, God has given them up to reprobate sense, so that they do what is not fitting, and being filled with all iniquity, malice, immorality, avarice, wickedness, being full of envy, murder, contention, deceit, malignity,; being whisperers, detractors, hateful to God, irreverent, proud, haughty, plotters of evil; disobedient to parents,
foolish, dissolute, without affection, without fidelity, without mercy,. Although they have known the ordinance of God, they have not understood that those that practice SUCH THINGS ARE DESERVING OF DEATH. AND NOT ONLY DO THEY DO THESE THINGS, BUT THEY APPLAUD OTHERS DOING THEM.


"Life is full of lemons, and the lemonade is sweet."

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2848 Posts / 94M
     :   28yrs   :  
Decius

I'm not going to read your irrelevent posts telling me how I should interpret the words of god.

Homos should be put to death, according to Christianity and the bible. Whether you think dying is different than the death of the soul, or that dying is good, or that dying actually means eating ice cream is quite irrevent.

It says put to death, which (to 90% of the people out there.. even rednecks with guns) mean KILL KILL KILL.

How come the bhagavat gita (much, much older than the bible) doesn't seem to have missinterpreted passages about hinduism? At least us Hindus have the balls to admit that dowry is outdated and vestigial concept made to preserve a specific society. We don't claim to think that dowry actually means "endless love".

Admit it! Witches are supposed to be burnt, homos killed, and lots of more shit that is no longer valid, according to your bible.

Now... back on topic...


"Hating everyone protects me from elitism."

4001 Posts / 51M
     :   31yrs   :  
Ironwood

ya, not to be mean patrish but you sound more like a bad salesman, your only proof behind your argument is words from the bible and faith based opinions of it, you hardly answered any questions or ideas that I posed you. Have you ever thought to question your beliefs or the bible and religious practice itself? Or do you feel you are questioning love and your only chance at heaven if you do?


"The Greatest Enemy of Knowledge is Not Ignorance, It is the ILLUSION of Knowledge. Stephen Hawking"

369 Posts / 67M
     :   41yrs   :  
Patrish

quote:
I'm not going to read your irrelevent posts telling me how I should interpret the words of god.

Homos should be put to death, according to Christianity and the bible. Whether you think dying is different than the death of the soul, or that dying is good, or that dying actually means eating ice cream is quite irrevent.


Then let me be more concise, and less wordy...eh

IT WAS THE LAWS OF THE LAND AT THE TIME, LIKE WE HAVE LAWS. IT was LAW.... Criminals get punished...
IF laws are broken.
Killers out to kill for the sake of killing were criminals according to same law.
Homosexuality was a crime.

Does that help??

It was changed in the NEW TESTAMENT...
It was not a law to be broken, it was a distinct warning to those who participated they would lose their soul.

Decius...your gonna hate this..but dont quote it, if ya dont know it.

\leftwood, I left the church for 7 years...dont presume to tel me how or what I questioned...
And sorry, I researched, read, and left my mind wide friggin open.

That's how I allowed the Spirit in to give me understanding.

Yea, guess I am forthright..and bold. Thats me.

Sales..? Nope, no sales here. Just plain speaking...SELF THINKING ...individual.


"Life is full of lemons, and the lemonade is sweet."

1669 Posts / 64M
     :   22yrs   :  
Angelfire

"It was changed in the NEW TESTAMENT... "
People keep saying it and it simply isn't true.

"1:32
Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them. "
What's this? It may not be actively saying "Though must kill faggets", but it IS saying "killing faggets turns be on". Effectively, it means that christians are encouraged to kill gays, or at the very least, there is no moral problem in the execution of gays.

Old Testament laws are also basically valid, I can't find the quote right now but you must know came not to replace but to fulfill the OT.


"Durch Nacht und Blut das Licht"

179 Posts / 51M
     :   20yrs   :  
secret07

ok dumbteen, ""1:32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them. " that is saying simply that gays are worthy of death, as are we all. we hav all sinned, none are worthy of life. no human is perfect. A gay who calls himself, or herself, a Christian is saying essentually, "Yeah, i outright disobey the Bible and everything Jesus wants me to do, but im still a Christian." jesus never told Christians to kill gays, or anyone else. justice is God's job, not mans.


"life sucks but its better than the alternative"

4001 Posts / 51M
     :   31yrs   :  
Ironwood

so pat, your are then saying that perhaps there is need for new change again, timewise it would even be long overdue, like other than to love perhaps, all the bible is shit. How's that.


"The Greatest Enemy of Knowledge is Not Ignorance, It is the ILLUSION of Knowledge. Stephen Hawking"

1669 Posts / 64M
     :   22yrs   :  
Angelfire

But Secret, clearly the implication is that God doesn't mind people killing gays, that he even clearly takes pleasure from gays dying (whatever way it is, execution or not).

If you want to please God, that is a way. At least the christian God.


"Durch Nacht und Blut das Licht"

1816 Posts / 67M
     :   56yrs   :  
cturtle

Decius, I feel you overlooked an important point 'It is GOD who decides who is to die, not man?
An Omipotent, all powerful God has no need for me to do His Work, right.
But all things must pass? As all things die then the death spoken of is it the death of the flesh and / or the death of the spirit?
Death being defined by separation from GOD.
(Tends to align with the muslum beliefs to an extent?)


"Terrorist or tyrant, few may come to the Truth that both are poor choice."

1669 Posts / 64M
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Angelfire

"Death being defined by separation from GOD."
Or was it eating ice-cream?


"Durch Nacht und Blut das Licht"

4001 Posts / 51M
     :   31yrs   :  
Ironwood

hell was the separation from god right? And with the existance of the all powerful and omnioptent god nothing is necessary, especially not human life.


"The Greatest Enemy of Knowledge is Not Ignorance, It is the ILLUSION of Knowledge. Stephen Hawking"

1816 Posts / 67M
     :   56yrs   :  
cturtle

quote:
And that "most likely" is based on reason, skepticism, observation and experiment when possible. Faith is completely divorced from it.
Yes, on several strings you have mentioned that you have not experienced the spirit of faith & your faith is complete devoid of it.
LeftWood, you give some bright answers which shine with comprehension!
quote:
And with the existance is necessary human life, as the separation from god right?

[Tends to align with the muslum beliefs to an extent, at least my preception of their beliefs.]
The bond of the flesh (life) is the barrier & death is reunification with God. The Christians goal is this reunification in physical life (body) by putting off worldly values & adhering to the spiritual values given by the Holy Spirit (Christ likeness)


"Terrorist or tyrant, few may come to the Truth that both are poor choice."

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