Why Do You NOT Believe In God?

Unfortunately I can't find the exact quote saying women must be veiled here's a substitute :
"Exodus 3:8Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's wife, ... nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbor's."
The woman is treated as no better then any other piece of property, such as an ass.

"we are to tell people about God. it is God's job to punish and save. so it would be wrong for a Christian to judge or punish anyone. does that make sense to u?"
If christianity was only that, it would be wrong, but not immoral. Unfortunately, Christianity is quite quite intolerant, at least if you know which bits of the bible to look at :
All from Exodus : "22:18
Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live."
That clearly calls out for the killing of 'witches', thousands of women have been burned/hanged/drowned because of this verse.
"23:24
Thou shalt not bow down to their gods, nor serve them, nor do after their works: but thou shalt utterly overthrow them, and quite break down their images."
That means we must destroy the churches and worship of other gods : muslims, jews but especially Hindus, bhuddists and other pagans.

"31:14
Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people."
Don't work on sundays or a christian will kill you!

Anyway, point is, the bible is intolerant even if (most) christians today are perfectly tolerant and reasonale people who luckily ignore the bible's nasty bits.

"Durch Nacht und Blut das Licht"

i'll do my best to find those verses leftwood. no, God didnt tell us to kill gays. we arnt allowed to kill. he said only that being gay was wrong. as i said on another thread, (ur right, we are leapfrogging) i hav gay friends and dont wish death on anyone.

i dont know the story about the kid. find the verse and i'll look it up.

yeah, jesus did say not to get drunk.

"life sucks but its better than the alternative"

leftwood, heres some verses

1 Corinthians 6
8Instead, you yourselves cheat and do wrong, and you do this to your brothers.
9Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders 10nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

Ephesians 5
17Therefore do not be foolish, but understand what the Lord's will is. 18Do not get drunk on wine, which leads to debauchery. Instead, be filled with the Spirit. 19Speak to one another with psalms, hymns and spiritual songs. Sing and make music in your heart to the Lord,

"life sucks but its better than the alternative"

ah, but that is not a quote of jesus right? thats a post jesus interpretation from the sound. which still leaves the question, and thanks for the effort, I appreciate the verses

The corinthians 9 one is a generalization again appearing to be made by others than jesus, and we learn that it is the teachings us jesus in need of following, not the interpetations of jesus. Cause that's when things get all silly. Hmmm, so what exactly did jesus say?

"The Greatest Enemy of Knowledge is Not Ignorance, It is the ILLUSION of Knowledge. Stephen Hawking"

dumbteen, heres the best i can say to that. i dont want to get into a fight with Bible verses, where we both franticaly look up verses to prove our own point. i stand to my orignal point that the Bible doesnt have contradictions if u study it thouroghly, but as i havnt lived long enough or studied hard enough, i cant proove it. and if i could, then u would simply say i was biased and trying to convince u in any means possible.

although u will probably say i am choosing what parts to believe, i will say that i think those were cultural rules. those quotes were said when God was trying to keep the Israelites pure as his people. if he had let them live among the heathens then they would have become like them, and would no longer have been his chosen people.

"life sucks but its better than the alternative"

lol leftwood ur right. that was done hurredly on biblegateway.com. i happen to be having youth group tonight and i will ask my pastor where i might find it. as soon as i do i will post it.

"life sucks but its better than the alternative"

Boy secret, from the way you were talking to teen it sure doesn't sound like god has much say in anything.

And I have to ask, when you say that you stick to the point of no contradictions, but claim you can't know, why would you in the first place even have the claim of no contradictions, its obviously an idea that has been given to you.

"The Greatest Enemy of Knowledge is Not Ignorance, It is the ILLUSION of Knowledge. Stephen Hawking"

i guess i stick to it because i trust the teacher who gave me the information. probably a bad reason, but he gave me much more information that i found true when i studied on it for a while. if i could get in touch with him i would, but i cant as he left the school last year and no one is quite sure where he went.

i guess i may have frased it that way, but that is not what i meant. i dont know why God does what he does and i never will. i wish i could explain y i am so sure that he has a plan but i cant. like i hav said, every new tidbit of info i get i will share, at least until u get sick of it.

"life sucks but its better than the alternative"

a bad reason? ya, I'd say so.

He gave you info that you found to be true? Doubt it, you may have found things that supported it, like the bible and teachings they seem to make sense of things at times.

I could make up an entire religion that makes enough sense by generalizing and being vague too. Doesn't mean it would be real and true.

Sure so what if God has a plan, doesn't mean we know what it is, or what that means for us, the bible says whatever that we are just supposed to be good people and die and go to heaven, thats still not much of a purpose explanation or meaning. But oh if it isn't what people are so stuck on.

"The Greatest Enemy of Knowledge is Not Ignorance, It is the ILLUSION of Knowledge. Stephen Hawking"

Here's a mentality I simply do not understand : you believe in the Bible without having read it, you even believe it has no contradictions without having read it.

Why? How do you know the bible is trustworthy?

A belief system need not be a surrender to a book and pretend you've found truth. On the contrary, be humble, admit we know very little, that we know no unchangeable truth : the result is we actually know more and can do more. That's science.

"Durch Nacht und Blut das Licht"

Ya it is funny, because the basis of science and religion is we don't know shit, that a higher power exists (power greater than ourselves evident by the "fact" that we didn't make the universe, as far as we know)

She kinda said she believed it cause she trusted what someone told her, which is dangerous territory, and not a definitive in the least,

Not attacking you secret, but if it feels that way, it is probably because you actually believe you don't know, or else you wouldn't be wondering these things.

"The Greatest Enemy of Knowledge is Not Ignorance, It is the ILLUSION of Knowledge. Stephen Hawking"

Right on leftwood.

quote:

---

Ya it is funny, because the basis of science and religion is we don't know shit,

---

"Terrorist or tyrant, few may come to the Truth that both are poor choice."

never said i knew everything guys. i said i believed one point, for the time being, because, to a degree, i trusted the individual who gave me the inormation. that doesnt mean that i wont continue to question this and everything. i guess im just coming at it from another base. i have no proof that the Bible is true, and you have no proof that the Bible is false

"life sucks but its better than the alternative"

We must assume everything is false, apart from a bare minimum that we consider "most likely". And that "most likely" is based on reason, skepticism, observation and experiment when possible. Faith is completely divorced from it.

"Durch Nacht und Blut das Licht"

If the quotes DT has posted are true, I don't see how they can't be contradictions somewhere in the bible.

Leviticus 18:22:
"You shall not lie with a male as those who lie with a female; it is an abomination."

Leviticus 20:13:
"If a man lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination and they shall surely be put to death."

Secret: I'm glad you admit that you have acquired this trust in the bible through faith, rather than knowledge. This is an important point you should keep with you so that you can question it, since it clearly condones killing... or at least indicates that God wants to kill people.

"Hating everyone protects me from elitism."