born gay

how about we want to ravage who we want to ravage. it really doesn't matter why. does it? if your atracted to someone so be it. it has nothing to do with genetics or chemical imbalaces. sorry. i think i left something out in my post about honesty with gays and bi's. that only aplies to the gays that admit the people of there opposite sex are atractive. and no. not in sex ed. becuase they never say anything about haveing sex. just the conseqences

"Wht cry for those that often cry? Instead, help them smile, and smile for those that smile."

I am curious ultima, If I am really so blind then why do you refuse to enlighten me? Could it be that you are just as blind?

"Speak out, even if what you have to say is unpopular"

etherealmeekle- you are blind because you have been brain-washed by the biased christian viewpoint. Unfortunately you cannot make value outside your 'christian' moral framework. One may refuse to enlighten you because (as I said) you have been brainwashed and you can only consider your value judgements as being universally true.

"The summit is just a halfway point"

No one has ever given me any sort of reasonable proof that I am wrong. If ultima has such proof then why won't he give it out?
I am perfectly open to other possibilities. But not on the basis of faulty reasoning.

"Speak out, even if what you have to say is unpopular"

proof of what?!!

"The summit is just a halfway point"

Proof that I am wrong about my assessments.

"Speak out, even if what you have to say is unpopular"

Proof? there is no universal truth- your christian framework are individual values, they are not universal. You are inept to make value outside your 'christian' moral framework. simple as that .

"The summit is just a halfway point"

I can make value anywhere I please I just simply haven't found reason to move beyond the Christian moral framework. And since you can not convince me to on the grounds that you don't believe you can then why bother bringing it up at all?

"Speak out, even if what you have to say is unpopular"

because this is a debate and quite frankly debates are constructed with differences in opinions, values and reasons. Do you want to be convinced that your values aren't universal 'truth'? because it doesn't seem that you want to be convinced.

"The summit is just a halfway point"

Just because I don't believe the first lousy statement that comes my way doesn't mean I don't want to be convinced. Oh and by the way the claim that there is no universal truth would itself have to be a universal truth.

"Speak out, even if what you have to say is unpopular"

oohhh. you got told.

"Wht cry for those that often cry? Instead, help them smile, and smile for those that smile."

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Oh and by the way the claim that there is no universal truth would itself have to be a universal truth.

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"The summit is just a halfway point"

Exactly why it is invalid. You cannot tell me that there aren't universal truths.

"Speak out, even if what you have to say is unpopular"

i just did tell you . you only judge it invalid because you believe in universal truth. What you fail to believe is that your idea of 'universal truth' is your opinion. An opinion is individual. Remember we are not all the same.

"The summit is just a halfway point"

But by your own admission your truths mean nothing to me and to try to make me believe your truth is like telling me that I am wrong and without a universal truth to measure up to no one can know right from wrong

"Speak out, even if what you have to say is unpopular"