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hey i was just wondering if anyone here is a devoted christian?


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heyjme1

Religious: yes. Christian: no. To me religion is personal.


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etherealmeekle

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To me religion is personal.


What exactly are you trying to say by that?

And I consider myself to be a devoted Christian.


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well im really interested in christianity. i know the basics of it but instead of reading up on it i waswondering if someone would talk to me about it. you know explain its beauty its uglyness its purpose its "rules" whatever it entails because i dont know the ins and outs. i am open minded and curious


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Wyote

there are a bajillion different sects of christianity, all with their own interpretation of the bible. the main thing for most sects is that you have to accept jesus as the son of God. after that its all open to interpretation.


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72 Posts / 36M
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yeah i already know that, but i am looking for someone to explain the concepts to me the basics, not the personalized beliefs or anything


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etherealmeekle

Largely the difference in sects lies not in the interpretation of the Bible but rather in what each group has found to be the most important part.


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heyjme1

Yes, I had better qualify what I mean by personal, before I am misunderstood.

It seems to me the religious order to which people generally ascribe themselves is a product of where and when they were born and the influences they have had in their lives. I say generally, because some escape. All worrks on the sects and denominations of religions have core messages but are subject to interpretation. All views are alsightly different; all hold different keys to unlock doors. So, I feel, religions is in essence personal although through writings it is made as a consensus.

Let me explain. I feel a personal God unessecary. That to me is normally a human kind however you wish to disguise it. And inevitably it is not God speaking through you but really yourself. People should not have fear in their lives that if they act bad they will go to Hell and if they do good they will go to heaven; the idea is absurd! Rather free will is all about making choices. All true religion needs is for a person to recognise how small and tiny their brains are in trying to grasp reality (and this includes the real God) and a code of ethics. And so I have two quotes that I take from the Bible:

'Do unto others as you would have do unto you'
'Love thy neighbour as thyself'

Conviction in the Bible reduces belief in science. It is religion at the moment that is causing fanaticism becuase of difference...there can only be one truth...Open our eyes.

Science I feel is more universal; religion is too. But the problem is the former has consensus; the latter does not. Therefore for now, religion is personal.


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Decius

First of all, no matter what anyone says here to answer you, someone will come to argue about it because they have endless debates (even between fellow Christians) about what exactly the interpretation of the bible (hence God's word) is. But I will give you my take on it based on the cumilitative debates and discussions I have had on the matter:

1. The old testament was "over-ruled" by the new testament, and the new testament was created after Christ was crucified. By "over-ruled" I mean that many of the harsh requests placed on people in the old testament were pacified by Christ's sacrifice which created a religion called "Christianity" which was, in essence, easier to be a part of than Judaism (which solely believes in the old testament).

2. Christ's sacrifice was to suffer for the sins of all of mankind. That is why people worship the cross because it symbolizes the grave pain he went through for YOU and YOUR sins. By YOUR sins, I mean everything you are, as a sinner.

3. You are born a sinner because adam and eve ate from the forbidden tree. This is a story that Christians believe about the first man and woman (which is the opposite of the Darwinian belief in evolution from apes). God gave them paradise but told them one thing: do not eat from that tree (I believe it was the tree of knowledge). But Satan appeared as a snake and convinced eve to eat from it, and so she did. When God found out, he got angry, and made them mortal, gave them problems, and from that point forward all humans were then born sinners.

4. As born sinners in the old testament you have to do lots of odd stuff. You are supposed to kill gay people ("put them to death" ), divorced women are not permitted to marry, and even animal sacrifices were requested of humans to compensate for sin. In the spirit of animal sacrifices, Jesus came about and became the ultimate sacrifice: The Son of God who allowed himself to be tortured and beaten and then nailed to a cross to die for all of mankind's sins.

5. The rules of Christianity are pretty standard for any religion: Don't kill, don't steal, don't lie, treat others as you would treat yourself etc. If you do break any of the rules, you should ask God for forgiveness and you shall be forgiven.

Personally, the most important aspect of Christianity to note is the "all are born sinners" concept. This is not a positive thing as it forces Christians into a mental state of guilt and innadequacy, even if they are not aware of it. This is why Christian schools are so widespread: the concept of Guilt is far easier to place within people at a younger age than at an older age, and this is why many people who used to be Christians didn't just choose to disregard it, but they detest the way it made them feel. Of course, Christians who encounter such a situation have no idea how to empathize with it because according to the bible those who do "succumb" to Satan are the ones that permit doubt and questioning come into their minds, which is a bad thing.

However, this "guilty mentality" is very useful in controlling people because not only does it force them into a state of pacified following, but it entices them to try to "enlighten" others too as in doing so they will levy the weight their own sins place on them, as in the bible it states that all those that do not welcome Christ as their lord and saviour will be going to hell... so as a devout Christian it is your job to help them go to heaven and in doing so are repenting for your sins.

Hence the influx of types of Christianity where they come knocking at your door trying to awaken you.


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etherealmeekle

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Personally, the most important aspect of Christianity to note is the "all are born sinners" concept.


Actually the most important aspect in Christianity lies in the phrase "it is finished!” These are the words Jesus spoke when He freed us from the 'guilty mentality'.


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Decius

Jesus dying didn't make homosexuals go to heaven.. it just meant that we don't have to kill them now. But they still have to repent for what they are, just like we have to repent for being sinners.

The base essence of Christian beliefs (IMHO) is that you are a born sinner because of adam and eve, and must spend your life attempting to live a righteous life to compensate for this so you can go to heaven.

That sounds like a "guilty mentality" to me!


"Hating everyone protects me from elitism."

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etherealmeekle

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That sounds like a "guilty mentality" to me!


Then you are misinformed. Sure we are born sinners and if the story ended there it would be a guilty mentality but there is more to the story. Jesus saved us and we who believe can live in peace and joy because we have this hope in a resurrected saviour.


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2814 Posts / 90M
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Decius

What do you mean? How do you escape feeling like a sinner? By definition if you are a born sinner you are born with guilt because you have sinned. How do you escape that? (regardless of how much of a sinner you are supposed to be)


"Hating everyone protects me from elitism."

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etherealmeekle

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How do you escape that?


Because the belief that Jesus died to pay for my sins means that I am no longer a condemned sinner. I have no need to feel guilt because God has forgiven me.


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Decius

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By definition if you are a born sinner you are born with guilt because you have sinned. How do you escape that?


You did not address my main point. If you are stating that as a Christian you are not a born sinner, then you are not a Christian. By definition, being a Christian, you admit that you are a sinner.

Can Christians be completely exempt of sin? (hence guilt)


"Hating everyone protects me from elitism."

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