Paedophilia

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okcitykid: Love does happen between young and old. Elvis, or the teacher who married her student after she got out of prison for supposidly raping him.

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Lady Tazmanian: It is that kind of thought process, that allows adults to continue taking advantage of children. You must have known exactly what you wanted when you were 13-years-old, to make such a bold comment

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okcitykid: Taking advantage of children and falling in love are not the same thing.

You're getting the two mixed up.

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Actually, I think you’re the one that is confused. Of course they’re not the same, yet you want to justify a 34-year-old teacher having sex with a 13-year-old child, because they’re married and in-love. Whether you believe it or not, that teacher took advantage of a child. Justify all you want, but a pedophile is not a normal human being.

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"A fool says I know and a wise man says I wonder."

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What we should be concerned about is the Paedophiles, that's a whole different bread of people and they are a threat to our children.

If this teacher was such, she would not have married her student, she would have found another one. The difference between Paedophiles and those who have fallen in love.

Love is a subject that many have studied and much has been written, but to my knowledge, none has earned their doctorate.

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how can what she did be different than what a pedophile does? your justifying her actions with "love"!! Any pedophile can justify their actions in the same way.....the teacher took advantage of a child, in love or not.

"What a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive"

We can make excuses for everything we do in life, good or bad. The problem is not the excuse. Getting rid of the excuse does not solve any problems.

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what she did

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"A fool says I know and a wise man says I wonder."

i dont belive she forced him to fall in love....but i do think she took advantage of him and confused his thinking, at 13 you have sexual desires,but your teacher giving in to them and sleeping with you is bound to mess up your thinking

"we are the music makers, and we, are the dreamers of dreams"

You're wiser beyond your years, rancid.

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I think the couple (the teacher and the student) will be just fine. They'll probebly end up getting a divorce, like that will be uncommon.

It's none of my business and I don't see why it should be any of yours. Jesus said that if you are always weeding your nieghbors garden then you ignore the weeds in your own garden.

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What ever "she did" he waited until she got out of prison and married her.

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I agree, Lady Taz, but you also consider the circumstances. A child is brought up learning from 'role models.' The child adapts to the role model's standards, shares a similar point of view (albiet unable to fully comprehend it) until around sixteen or so, during Teenage Rebellion and pubertly, where the child attempts to find a vantage point for life. Depending on the role model, diffent circumstances can occur. If I had my dad as a role model, I'd be a workshop geek who can rip apart a robot or computer and put it back together again blindfolded. Needless to say, I'm not. My role model growing up was a neighbor who built cars, model airplanes, and I swear had a fishing pole grafted to his arm. I learned all those things cold. Now if you take away that situation and insert another, like a teacher who lusts after children, and the chilld comes to regard her as a role model, then it is easy to 'program' a child in the sense as to see you as a sex symbol. And although a good portion of your parents teachings are cast away in puberty, some stay, I, even at nineteen, still find it fun to get up at five and go fishing. This boy could still (subconsciosly) regard his former teacher as a role model, and now that she's free, he can attempt to make it up to her by miarrige.
As to the 'love' question, if the two truly care about one another, then by all means, let them get married. If it's just a sex relationship, as it was in grade school, she'll get a divorce, and we'll forget about it.
I don't condone pedophiliac behavior in the slightest, I belive it is a mindset, not a mutation. To 'cure' a pedophile is difficult, since you must alter the point of view that individual has chosen. I simply belive it is difficult to change.

""As I sit before the fire, I wonder how many before myself have been burned.'"

truer words were never spoken.

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To 'cure' a pedophile is difficult, since you must alter the point of view that individual has chosen. I simply belive it is difficult to change.
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the opinions and belief of a person are never easy to change, it becomes a dead cause when people are able to create Pretext condoning their actions....once they convince themselves that what they are doing is not in any way wrong the chances of changing them is damn near impossible. [Examples: Nazi or KKK]

"What a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive"

Right on, it is good to have a point of view that is firmly rooted in proven fact and moral pretext, but there is nothing more dangerous than a twisted man or woman who believes they are doing the right thing. Each human has justification for thier actions, some more solid than others, but only with this justification can we accomplish anything, and when the goal is stalking and copulating with minors, and the person has moral justification, then there is very little we can do against it other than lock them up as concequence..and even after they get out, there is still a danger. If a pedophile gets out of the joint, than the immediate revulsion by socity may cause him to, in anger, attempt to strike back, possibly at someone's son or daughter. Also:

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.once they convince themselves that what they are doing is not in any way wrong the chances of changing them is damn near impossible. [Examples: Nazi or KKK]
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if you've ever heard of the mentality 'if it ain't broke, don't fix it,' and you turn the point of view to that of a pedophile, then it is easy to see why it is damned impossible to change.

""As I sit before the fire, I wonder how many before myself have been burned.'"

I'm a man, I remember when I was 13. There were some pretty good looking teachers. Not one of those teachers would have to force us to make love with them.

Not every child/adult relationship is the action of a pedophile, sometimes it happens. Not that it should, but I believe we allow jelousy to overpower common sense. These things should be delt with, with common sense.

Wouldn't you like to be one of those beutiful teachers all the boys ugle over?

My wife is a teacher, and she has had to step and prevent a 13 year old from being raped by a group of 13 year olds. There not exactly innocent at that age.

"A fool says I know and a wise man says I wonder."

our problems are the adults who take their "feelings" over a child too serious. Sure there are kids who have crushes on their teacher but when their teachers begin to reciprocate those same feelings thats when the problem occurs. An adult should no better than to fall "in love" with a child.

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a pedophile is not made because a child creates them they are made by disgusting adults who lust over children and then act on these feelings.

"What a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive"

Damn this is crazy.
You realize that classifying peadophilia as a mental disorder, and as such should not really be punishedor blamed is dangerous.
Whatever happened to self control? All of us have certain problems with our thinking and thoughts can't be helped entirely. But if we treat the RAPE of the most innocent humans on the planet as a mere genetic defect that can't be blamed then we promote such behavior.
Because it simply is not JUST a natural inclination to be attracted to children. It's perversion. Some people get off on perversion. This is wrong, and punishable.
If we treat it as genetic and ultimately blameless unless acted upon, then we lose one of the main things that fight the manifestation of such behaviour. Disgust.
A person should be disgusted with themselves for horrendous thoughts and it will help keep them in line.

I'm surprised though that nobody has brought up the fact that the Greeks did practice peadophilia. In fact Greek boys were required to have a sexual relationship with an adult man at the age of 13. They were also a culture that was about 50% homosexual.

Personally I think that this hedonism is wrong, and simply promotes more lasciviousness. But morality is relative to what society makes it.

"Love is a circle, Jump in"

ewww....how do you know about the greeks.....you make very good points though. People we have also over looked are priest who have gotten away with taking Advantage of kids for years, and then they are forgive by the church..... i know that there are many people or groups that we have over looked. but the information you gave about the greeks is really interesting.....

"What a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive"

I learned about the Greeks from a good high school Mythology teacher.

"Love is a circle, Jump in"

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our problems are the adults who take their "feelings" over a child too serious. Sure there are kids who have crushes on their teacher but when their teachers begin to reciprocate those same feelings thats when the problem occurs. An adult should no better than to fall "in love" with a child.

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"A fool says I know and a wise man says I wonder."