What is the soul?

Hey, I m just saying what Buddhisim, the third largest religion in the world, as well millions of other meditators say.

"I'll heal ur woundz I'll set u free, I m jesus christ on xtacy"

And therefore they are right? A few years ago, "everybody" knew the world was flat didn't they?

Your opinion shouldn't be based on what a bunch of sheep think, it should be based on aknoledging what you don't know, and asserting what you do know through observation and logic by necessity.

"Durch Nacht und Blut das Licht"

If all of the meditators are right and so effectively attaining enlightenment, which I'm not saying that you are claiming, but why have none of them just stopped existing or died physically, separated from themselves to become one with all or whatever, the main buddha guy who achieved this according to buddhist lore, what was it that happened to him physically, I'm not aware of the whole story.

And out of curiousity, what would happen if people started to mentally ascend, to leave physical bodies through meditation, permanently, would we dub it mass suicide or the greatest achievement of mankind?

"The Greatest Enemy of Knowledge is Not Ignorance, It is the ILLUSION of Knowledge. Stephen Hawking"

Enlightnment doesn't mean leaving your bodies or something. The Buddha very much still needed to eat and drink and sleep, and died at a normal age of 70-80. He just trascended human insecurities, like greed, lust, anger etc. Oh and yes, if the whole world becomes enlightned, which is close to impossible, then yes, human society would crash, because no one would then have desire for fame, wealth etc.

A year ago if someone had said this meditation stuff to me, I would have regarded it as bull. But the fact is, try meditation for a few months and u'll see what I mean. I have experianced those rare moments of 'pure joy', when u feel a connectness with everything, when u start loving thoses around you as well as tress as rocks. That is only possible when I get in touch with my soul, which has happened only once or twice.

oh, and btw, nobody 'knows' that we all are one etc. We can only experiance it, or something close to it. Enlightnment is not a 'belief', like the world is flat.
Look there's no point in this, you don't know what I'm talking about. Try to learn about mediation and become a little spiritual. U can't answer everything by logic.

"I'll heal ur woundz I'll set u free, I m jesus christ on xtacy"

" U can't answer everything by logic. "
Are you implying spirituality is illogical?

"Durch Nacht und Blut das Licht"

If ur asking for 'proof' and nothing less, then this whole thread is ireelevant, because the very topic can never be 'proved'.

"I'll heal ur woundz I'll set u free, I m jesus christ on xtacy"

If looked at from the layman or materialist's perspective, then yes, Spirituality is illogical, God is illogical and so on.

"I'll heal ur woundz I'll set u free, I m jesus christ on xtacy"

Something which is illogical means something which is inconsistent. Consistency is about not contradicting yourself.

I'm always happy, except when I am sad. That is an illogical statement, it is always false.

You are saying that God is necessarily false.

"Durch Nacht und Blut das Licht"

You can only 'beleve' in God, you can only 'beleive' that you have a soul. I and no one can ever prove things like this, that is, prove in the sense of 'seeing' or touching' for yourself.

God, soul, may not be illogical if you take the term literally, it can be said they are 'unprovable' in our sense. Of course, for different people, there have been various 'proofs' about God etc, but they are mostly spirtual experiances etc, a matter of individual perpective.

"I'll heal ur woundz I'll set u free, I m jesus christ on xtacy"

Yes, I agree with that.

"Durch Nacht und Blut das Licht"

Sometimes I wish you would bite your tongue with all these flagrant assumtions of yours, You say I don't know what you are talking about and in refference to what YOU mean and think about them you would be right, thats why I ask questions and instead of answering you just tell me I don't understand. As for what is currently "proveable" can change in an instant. Never say never.

I've probably experienced more spriritual moments than you have, from your expressions. I just don't claim that that is significant beyond what it feels like, because as I've stated it is little different than any drug or other form of escaping from the things in life that make us fear and feel guilt.

As you stated that society as we know it would collapse, well, is that a good or bad thing in your perspective?

Why would you feel such frustration as to call this pointless, if I misunderstand, and you have a good point, help me understand. If you don't like questioning yourself and your ideas, then ya, its pointless.

"The Greatest Enemy of Knowledge is Not Ignorance, It is the ILLUSION of Knowledge. Stephen Hawking"

Hey, first of all man, I wasn't referring to u when I said learn spirituality!
I was just telling Dumb teen that if she kept on demanding for 'Solid evidence', then that was not possible!

"I'll heal ur woundz I'll set u free, I m jesus christ on xtacy"

Well, everyone becoming enlightned, from an individual's perspective, it would surpass all forms of Joy, but from humanities perpective, it may be harmful becuase then no one would want to have any kids etc, and the human race may just die out or go back to being cave man.

"I'll heal ur woundz I'll set u free, I m jesus christ on xtacy"

But what about how YOU feel about those options, would you truly be happy when you begin starving? Sure if you can make those feelings become pleasant I guess, otherwise you won't have the luxury of sitting there thinking you are happy.

I've found that simply being productive and useful (especially helpful) to be one of the greatest sources joy in this life and society, but I also find that it doesn't last either, because then you see the faults of other too, and you see how people want to abuse your offerings and belittle your achievements, even hold you responsible for something goin wrong, possibly ending you up in jail.

I don't know that there is a special balance that can come ot this but I do know that I haven't found it.

"The Greatest Enemy of Knowledge is Not Ignorance, It is the ILLUSION of Knowledge. Stephen Hawking"

If I became enlightned, it wouldn't mean that I would stop Eating etc.

Yes, what u r reffering to happened to Buddha himself. His purpose of life was love, but still people tryed to smear him with wrong accusations and even tried to kill him.
But that is a part of life, as not everyone can be in touch with their inner essence.
At first, Buddha had wanted to be by himeslf, cut of from everyone, but then realized that he must spread his love.
Just because some people try to harm you while your spreading love, doesn't mean that you should get discouraged. You should love even ur worst enemy.

"I'll heal ur woundz I'll set u free, I m jesus christ on xtacy"