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What is the soul?

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thoughtmanifest

The one that comes to mind right away would be Einstein. But I suppose it depends on what you consider to be "reasonably trustworthy". There would be quite a few spiritual teachers who I would consider to be reasonable but you probably would not who have studied it at length. The best I can say at this point is if you're open to it you will find evidence that supports it. The best evidence is to try it yourself and see what happens...


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Angelfire

Einstein? You aren't serious?


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thoughtmanifest

Quite serious. Einstein isn't "reasonable authority"? He pretty much devoted his entire life to the subject of energy.

What category of person are looking for then?


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Angelfire

I mean, does anyone in reasonable authority, reasonably credible know about this "electrical vision" (meaningless words IMHO).

Of course I don't deny energy. I object (and Einstein would too) to a study of energy which seems closer to exploration of human consciousness and hallucinations then reality.


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thoughtmanifest

Knowing how skeptical you are DT I doubt that I am going to be able to provide the kind of proof you need to justify this in your mind. Everything is open to interpretation and how I would interpret what someone says regarding these realms, I'm certain, is quite different from how you would.

So again the best evidence is personal experience so try it and see what happens...

Or... if staying in the comforts of the physical world and your logical mind helps you to sleep at night then by all means stay there. It's just a valid of an existence as any other. And it's the one we all know so you don't have to step outside of the mass reality in order to explore it.


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Angelfire

Physical world? No system has better described what we cannot see, hear or touch. Whether its neutrinos or radiowaves, science has found much which is unseen, and proved that they are there.

Now you speak of abandoning logic. Do you know what it is? If you did, you would not throw it away so easily.


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thoughtmanifest

I haven't abandoned logic. What my logical mind will accept and what yours will accept is very different, because we have lead very different lives. I base my logic on experience. But what I trust to be true goes beyond what I have seen because, logic to me tells me that there is a hell of a lot more going on than we realize, therefore logically I am able to accept these possibilities.

You have described the soul in this thread as something we all have, as a part of us that is not physical, a part we cannot see. Has science or logic proven to you that the soul exists? Probably not. Yet you believe it regardless of logic. If you're willing to take it that far, why not a little further?

Is it because the soul would be considered common thought and is more widely accepted?


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Angelfire

The way I have defined the soul makes it a fundamentaly subjective thing, unproveable by science, but its also so self-evident to any conscious being that its beyond question.


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thoughtmanifest

Well said DT. That's exactly how I feel regarding elements within our reality esisting beyond that which we can see with our eyes and perhaps find in any textbook. It's just that my idea of the possibilities of the number of entities that can exist go far beyond just the soul.

Einstein said "Matter is energy, energy is light. Human beings are light beings."


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Angelfire

" It's just that my idea of the possibilities of the number of entities that can exist go far beyond just the soul. "
I have seen nothing to that effect. And of course I don't see the soul as anything special. Not as an entity but simply perhaps a number or letter. It just says "this entity is bound to this corpse and not all the other corpses".


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thoughtmanifest

"I have seen nothing to that effect."

You have seen nothing to the effect of the soul either yet you believe it exists. Think of how many different entities exist in the physical reality... billions, maybe more. Yet you are telling me that the only thing that exists in the energetic realm is the soul?

Think how inter-dependent everything is that exists in the physical reality. Would the same principal not apply to any other realm? With that in mind could the soul really survive being the only entity of an energetic nature?


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Angelfire

"You have seen nothing to the effect of the soul either yet you believe it exists. Think of how many different entities exist in the physical reality... billions, maybe more. Yet you are telling me that the only thing that exists in the energetic realm is the soul?"
'energetic realm' If anything YOU are energy. Matter and energy are the same thing, THIS IS THE ENERGETIC REALM.

" With that in mind could the soul really survive being the only entity of an energetic nature?"
Define 'energetic'. I suspect its just a word to replace 'spiritual', 'shadow', 'virtual' or what have you.

As I said, as I see the soul, it is not 'energetic' or whatever you want to call it. Rather, it is something absolutely self-evident to every conscious being. Every conscious being can differentiate between the "me" and the "other" (and this is NOT the same as differentiating two individuals). Even if there is nothing physical about it, there is that little bit of information, that says "this consciousness is stuck onto this body". But it is nonexistent to all but you.


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Angelfire

And I don't mean that we take our soul with us when we die.


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thoughtmanifest

Everything has some matter and some energy. Here's how I see it. That which we can see physically is more matter than energy, that which we cannot see physically is more energy than matter, like the soul.

So... just to make sure I'm clear...

You believe the soul is something that exists beyond the physical reality (you said so yourself in one of your posts) yet now you are saying that there is no reality beyond the physical reality. How is that possible?


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Angelfire

"Here's how I see it. That which we can see physically is more matter than energy, that which we cannot see physically is more energy than matter, like the soul."
This is simply not true. All matter is energy, period. There are no "degrees" of energy.

I said the soul not physical. Perhaps I should say, it is personal. It only exists for you, to everyone else it is nonexistant. That what I mean by it is not physical.


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