What is the soul?

thought - "Resonate" is a vague word. Basically its just gut feeling?

courtney - I *almost* agree with you. Because I think that there is at least 1 thing which differentiates us but is not physical, the fact that I see through my eyes and not your's.

"Durch Nacht und Blut das Licht"

There is a scientific basis for the idea of resonation. And although I am not one who looks at the scientific basis of things, I will try my best to explain what I think it is. Everything is energy and every energy form vibrates at a certain frequency. Ideas, emotions, colours, musical notes, stars, plants, sounds all do this. So when I say ideas resonate with me it means that their frequency or waves are similar to mine and therefore is part of who I am. Einstein talks at great length about this concept.

What do you base your ideas on? In your original reply to the soul post you said "The soul is what makes us feel only from one body and not your neighbor's." Is it not instinct or 'gut feeling' as you call it that lead you to that belief. Did you hear it somewhere along the way and decide somehow that it was true? Or do you have something that could "prove" this statement?

Where would we be without our feelings and instinct? Where would we be without our intrinsic desire to explain the seemingly inexplicable? Isn't that the fun of being human?

"Love everyone, question everything and look up!"

"Everything is energy and every energy form vibrates at a certain frequency. Ideas, emotions, colours, musical notes, stars, plants, sounds all do this. So when I say ideas resonate with me it means that their frequency or waves are similar to mine and therefore is part of who I am. Einstein talks at great length about this concept."
Right, well it its pseudoscience, thankyou.

"What do you base your ideas on? In your original reply to the soul post you said "The soul is what makes us feel only from one body and not your neighbor's.""
Its based a logic. I define soul as that which defines us as conscious beings, but which isn't physical. The ONLY thing which we know FOR SURE, that defines us but isn't physical is the fact I see out of my eyes and not your eyes. So its a minimal definition of the soul, if there are other things which define us but aren't physical (which I doubt, but maybe) then we can say the soul is also that. No feeling here.

"Where would we be without our feelings and instinct? Where would we be without our intrinsic desire to explain the seemingly inexplicable? Isn't that the fun of being human?"
Of course, we must no reject our instincts, or we wouldn't be human. But when we are trying to determine the truth, instincts only distort our perception and blind our reason.

"Durch Nacht und Blut das Licht"

I don't know what to say DT. Only if you are likely to extend yourself beyond your idea of logical reasoning will you ever be able to relate to a lot of what I say and live for.

I think it is our reasoning that keeps us (humans) stuck in the reality we are in, which in my view, is a dim one. If we could turn off our brains and experience life another way, I think we would be amazed by what we would find. There are countless examples of things beyond the physical world and if you and I were in the same room perhaps I could show you something that would convince you of this. (Perhaps). But we are not so you and I are not likely to see eye to eye.

"Love everyone, question everything and look up!"

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The ONLY thing which we know FOR SURE, that defines us but isn't physical is the fact I see out of my eyes and not your eyes.

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"Hating everyone protects me from elitism."

Sub-conscious is definitely a better term to describe this part of us than instinct and agree with what you say about the sub-conscious mind. Intuition would have been my choice but I know that would have put me further into the "vague" category in DT's eyes.

As far as instinct goes. I don't think that it is necessarily negative. Instinct now means going to the grocery store rather than killing a buffalo so we can eat and both are necessary for survival. IMO only from the perspective of the dark side of humanity does primal equal negative.

So to further make the distinction between instinct and sub-conscious. Let's assume for a moment we're primal beings. We're hungry and need to kill a buffalo so we can eat. Our sub-conscious mind is what connects us and leads us to the buffalo and instinct is what tells us to kill it. Does that make sense?

"this ability to take what emotions the sub-conscious gives you that you know to be truths, and decode it through meditation of the conscious mind" For me this is not a necessary step (although it definitely helps when communicating with someone who doesn't think along the same line as you). Like I have said before I think we spend too much time in the realm of, and give way too much credit to, our intellectual selves. I see the brain as a tool that should, if we are to live a life of ease, be off most of the time and only needs to be called upon to do necessary calculations, etc.)

So from that perspective, "starting to understand your sub-conscious' intentions and abilities more." is beyond our logical self and, if mastering this realm is the goal, its involvement should be minimal.

"This will not only give you strength in your beliefs and statements, but permit you to discuss your "feelings" with far more certainty."

If my goal here was to convince everyone that "my way is the only way" then I definitely would need to change my approach. I am here to listen to other people's perspectives, to challenge people and to be challenged. Being challenged makes us question our beliefs, look at them from other perspectives, and in the end, if it is still to be our belief, polish and solidify them; if it is not to be, alter our perspective accordingly.

"Love everyone, question everything and look up!"
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" There are a great many things in this world that differentiate me from you, including our physical bodies and characteristics."
Sorry I wasn't clear, those things are irrelevant to what I am saying (its hard to express this).

What I am trying to say, is that you could have been born in my "body" (if we can call it that), you could have known the world as I saw it, and vice versa. But for some reason, you are bound to your body, not mine for some arbitrary reason (and even if we pretend we are all connected somehow, you know as self-evident that you are more closely bound to your body then anyone elses).

Thus I call that soul, because granted we are all different, so I can differentiate 2 people. But how do I differentiate the "me" and the rest? There is no physical reason for me to differentiate me from the rest, because although the rest is physically different from me, me and the rest are no more and no less different then 2 other people picked at random. Basically, I am saying, how do you know what is me? Physical characteristics are irrelevant, even if (hypothetically) you are I were completely identical, we would still be able to differentiate each other (even if no one else could).

Thus we differentiate the "me" and the "everybody else" without resorting to physical differences.

thought -" IMO only from the perspective of the dark side of humanity does primal equal negative. "
Primal is useless for trying to find truth, that is all. I am not saying its always useless.

"Our sub-conscious mind is what connects us and leads us to the buffalo and instinct is what tells us to kill it. Does that make sense?"
Why is looking for a buffalo sub-conscious?

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Why is looking for a buffalo sub-conscious?

It's not entirely a sub-conscious action but if we are listening beyond our conscious brain, we could connect and therefore be lead to the buffalo.

"Love everyone, question everything and look up!"

Are you saying that as we hunt buffalo we psychically connect to them to know where they are?

"Durch Nacht und Blut das Licht"

I'm not saying we all necessarily do that but that we definitely can. Psychically connecting to the buffalo itself, I would think, would be a farely advanced method but that would be one way. I don't know how else to describe it other than intuition. You just know, on some level, a level beyond the logical brain, where the buffalo is.

It's like, for me, when I'm lost and trying to find an address in a new city, the more in my brain I am, the more lost I get, and the more frustrated and anxious I become. As soon as I get out of my brain and just relax and drive where my sub-conscious pulls me, I find it. The more I trust that process, the faster I get there.

Or when I am just about to go to the phone to call my friend and the phone rings and there she is. That to me would be more in the classification of a psychic connection. I can't even count the amount of times I have called or ran into someone and they've said "I was just thinking about you" or vice versa.

There are countless examples of where this can play a part in our lives. We have the power to create just about anything, if our intention is right, and if we stop letting our logical self, our ego, interfere.

"Love everyone, question everything and look up!"

"I'm not saying we all necessarily do that but that we definitely can. Psychically connecting to the buffalo itself, I would think, would be a farely advanced method but that would be one way. I don't know how else to describe it other than intuition. You just know, on some level, a level beyond the logical brain, where the buffalo is."
Have you done this before?

"It's like, for me, when I'm lost and trying to find an address in a new city, the more in my brain I am, the more lost I get."
Sometimes I get lost and lost and lost some more. If what you are saying were true, toddlers should never get lost because they have no logic.

"We have the power to create just about anything, if our intention is right, and if we stop letting our logical self, our ego, interfere."
If that were true, the indians would have conquered us, not the other way around.

"Durch Nacht und Blut das Licht"

"Have you done this before?"

I have never hunted but I have found someone I needed to find in a crowd, found my car keys and other lost items, and, most recently, found a lost dog this way.


"If what you are saying were true, toddlers should never get lost because they have no logic."

Toddlers are impressionable and are at the mercy of their parents' thoughts and fears. Thought creates reality. If I am watching my 2-year-old walk past a stair well and have images of him falling down the stairs, I have increased the likelihood of that happening. If, on the other hand, I only have images of him walking past safely, that will be what will manifest. The older they get the less influence our thoughts have over their lives. The reason our worst fears come true is because we give our worst fears time and attention.


"If that were true, the indians would have conquered us, not the other way around."

Do you think that "conquering someone" is the "right" intention?

"Love everyone, question everything and look up!"

"I have never hunted but I have found someone I needed to find in a crowd, found my car keys and other lost items, and, most recently, found a lost dog this way."
And isn't it possible you just *found them*. How many times have you looked for something and NOT found it? Or how many times has it taken you a long time to find it?

"If what you are saying were true, toddlers should never get lost because they have no logic."

" Thought creates reality. If I am watching my 2-year-old walk past a stair well and have images of him falling down the stairs, I have increased the likelihood of that happening."
That is speculation to say the least.


"Do you think that "conquering someone" is the "right" intention?"
And slaughtering helpless bison is "right intention" ? Its the same thing. Truth has a ruthless logic to it. Those who have bits of truth, are better killing those who do not. Its a sad historical fact.

"Durch Nacht und Blut das Licht"

DT, I could go into great detail regarding the work that I have done over the past 16 years and I could explain at length why I know the difference and what happens within me when I 'just find something' and when I 'intuitively know' where something or someone is. I could give you example after example of how our fears have manifested but if I'm only going to be met with opposition and criticism why should I continue?

The first time I heard "you create your own reality" (my brother was the one who said because he had been reading Carlos Castenada) I was 14 years old (I'm now 30) and since then I have been cosidering and exploring these realms and it has opened me up to a whole new world of possibilities. It wasn't until about 5 years ago, after years of soul searching and research, that I was finally convinced that this was indeed true and since then I have been working to see how and why I create every aspect of my own life, the good, the bad, my programming and fears; and how I can begin to create the reality that I want and need in order to do what I am here to do.

I am here to share these ideas with those who are open to them, in order to help each other advance and be comfortable in these realms, so that we can, working together, have a positive influence on the world around us. I'm still developing, learning and growing, as we all are.

The way I see it if you were totally convinced that I was off my rocker you would be ignoring me by now and would have stopped challenging me no? Is there a part of you that wants to believe at least some of what I am saying?

"Love everyone, question everything and look up!"

As far as "slaughtering helpless bison is "right intention""... There's a difference between slaughtering helpless bison and appreciating, respecting and being grateful for food that we have to eat. Are you a vegetarian? Going to the grocery store and buyiing a steak is no better or worse than hunting one's own food, as long as we respect that which we eat.

"Those who have bits of truth, are better killing those who do not. Its a sad historical fact." I personally feel that we'd all be better off if no one was killing anyone but that's an entirely different discussion.

"Love everyone, question everything and look up!"