Does GOD Not Existed?

Does GOD Not Existed? [+ favourites]

hey guys..
I'm new to this site ..but i had lots of discussions before..
anyway
u all know my question...give me your ideas...I believe in GOD..and i'm intrested to hear from those who do not believe in GOD...tell me Y!

Count how many innocents Stalin and Mao sent to camps. Count how many starvation claims today. Count how many have died and die of the Black Plague, Malaria and AIDS. Count how many souls God's Jihads and Crusades have claimed.
Remember that God has failed to reveal himself completely to 2 billion Chinese and Indians.
Remember that the Jews and Muslims still slay one another over Holy Land.
Remember that the Christian West is letting millions die in Africa and letting many more millions live in poverty in Asia and the Middle East.
Remember that the last century, was the bloodiest century in the history of man.
Tell me how many human beings are ravaged by disease, poverty, starvation and war today.

Now tell me how I could ever believe in God.

"Durch Nacht und Blut das Licht"

Probaly its becus people who dont believe like you cause all this cus god has already loss to much to the devil and he allows the devil to claim so much people and allow all these tradigies so that the other promising few cud wake up and no him to live by his will and recieve the rewards and plus there wont be no need for gods salvation if the whole world was good and humans didnt have freewill cus our greatest weakness is our freewill which is usually driven by selfishness.

The world would have been a better place if god didnt be so generous to give us freewill and jus decided to save everyone cus he loves everyone but he had to give them the choice to love him

thats my opinion if u understand it

dwight

"Nothing\\\'s Impossible, It Just Hasn\\\'t Been Done Yet"

that's a good point...
my answer is...> u say there are lots of people around the world dying because of AIDS...or war..or there are lots of inoccent children in hospitals thar are going to die?
Let me tell u something...what if I shoot a child and nothing happen?..what if a child fall down from a tall tower and then stand up and walk away?..is this what u r talking about...the same thing is right about deseases like AIDS...GOD creat this world with its RULES...if for some reason someone get HIV..then he will die...u think that is so cruel? ok go on and find a solution for HIV...GOD creat every thing(that u may call it PROBLEM) for us to search about and improve...so all these harmful events around the world are under rules!

This world is God's. He created it and he created us. God is All Knowing and All Powerful. He knew that death, famine and war would await the Earth when he created it.

"Durch Nacht und Blut das Licht"

so u agree?
i didn't get it..
u jus said HOW can i believe in GOD??!!

If God is perceived as the whole of creation, than how can one judge one's abuse of themselves?

Any deaths that occur hurt God, and any joy that occurs pleases God.

Hence it is no one's place to judge whether something bad or good happens. Once you accept that it HAD to happen, you accept that it is all God's will.

This perception that God is an entity with a joystick is the problem with lots of religions.

If we are all incarnations of God, anything that happens is inconsequential.

"Hating everyone protects me from elitism."

be30mple - how can you believe in an omnibenevolent, omnipotent and omniscient being when there's so much evil around you?

Decius, please tell 11 million holocaust victims that they are inconsequential.
Its all fine that using abstract reasoning nothing really matters, indeed nothing matters, we're just a few atoms on a small world of a normal sun in an average galaxy. However, regardless of any reasoning, what matters is human life, and the pains and pleasures of mankind.
You cannot just sweep these under the carpet and call them inconsequential.

"Durch Nacht und Blut das Licht"

I think u miss understand what I said...
I said if u shoot a bullet to the head of a child,then i would say YES..the child SHOULD die...otherwise it would be so funny ..then we can use a child az a basketball ball ..coz nothing would hurt the child....
see ..it's really simple..this world has rules...GOD creat them...and if we break these rules GOD will punish us...
let me put it this way...>think about any sport game...
for example soccer ..it has so many rules...and the one who creat rules is not the referee (it's FIFA) but u see..there is always a referee in a game while they can let the players play and after any match the FIFA punish any player that did something wrong...
see..even in human creater u can find rules and judges...
if we don't judge people and punish them for something wrong that hey do..then our society will tore apart...
it has nothing to do with GOD...even if we don't punish for example criminals..GOD will punish them...!

BE30: I do not believe that God punishes anyone because good people suffer and evil people succeed in every aspect that you can gauge success by our standards. I am not saying "God" does not involve himself/herself in the going ons of the world... I mean he/she simply cannot judge. The only way that evil people can succeed while good people suffer (in an ideal world created by God) is if these imbalances are balanced underneath it all, which would indicate that those that are evil are connected to those that are good.

Hence in the grand scheme of God's world any push has a shove and both actions are therefore, inconsequential.

"Hating everyone protects me from elitism."

dumb teen-i didn't get it...
I didn't say that all these people that are suffering and dying are inconsequential,did I?and I didn't even meant it...
yes they are important..as a human I can't stand here and millions of people die in war...but it has nothing to do with existance of GOD...
GOD will punish them anyway...(i mean terrorists or whatever)
U know what is the problem....?
the problem is that U compare GOD with HUMANS ...GOD is NOT human..you can not compare size of an elephent with tast of and apple...I mean they are two different unrelated things...
think about what I said and if U undrestand it answer this question....>
If u had the GOD's power(u r still human)would u stop the september 11th event?

Dec..-sorryyyyy....i didn't get ur point...
I'm 17 years old iranian boy,living in toronto,i'm studying ENGLISH...my English is not that bad..but sorry again I couldn't understand ur main point...
anyway..i will right an answer for what i get..
u said GOD can't simply JUDGE...as I answer to Dumb teen...the problem is that we compare GOd with our self...
can u tell me more about it..Y GOD can't simply JUDGE every one?

No worries...

Your point that we cannot compare God to ourselves is valid, however for the sake of discussion we have no way of knowing anything but ourselves. What I mean is, anything we try to understand is based on our perception of it. Hence, our perception of God has to be limited by what we know of ourselves and everything else in existance. It is impossible to conceive of something more intelligent than us, so there's no point even trying.

But if God did create us and create our inquisitive minds, then he also wanted us to perceive him as we best could, which would be in a form of ourselves.

So that sort of covers why when I talk about God, I talk about him in a way that places him above us, but still someone/thing that is guided by the morality of fairness... because I cannot conceive of an allknowing creator that does not believe in fairness.

Given then that God believes in fairness, how could he judge a murderer that only murders because he was abused as a child? Although i realize individual thought controls a portion of our actions, wouldn't you agree that many of the things we do are the result of our environment and how we were raised, and in essence, things our of our control?

If this is the case, how could God judge me for actions I could not have prevented?

"Hating everyone protects me from elitism."

I belive god is the winner of a theistic showdown the most appealing of powers- man created God god did not create man. Dieties are an invention - tales told to explain things that we never had answers for and may never have answers for- people are scarred, we are sentient but alone the thought of a forgiving lord and cozy afterlife are the tonics for our fears of death and lonliness.

"No one ever won a war by sitting in a ditch"

ok theres alot being said about bad things happening to people and people making bad decisions to do bad things what it all comes back to is freewill again i mean come on we talk about people who do criminal acts or bad stuff dont matter how much excuses or reasons they make it all comes down to themselves their choice led them to their punishment not god. god aint punishing no one we punish ourselves i mean look at this way lets say someone kills someone and then tried to blame it on everyone and everything else except themselves but when it comes down to reality hello they did it they made the decision in their mind to perform the act then they physically performed the act so it was their freewill that condemn them not god. Now u might try question about the victim in this case of murder i mean u might say did the victims freewill kill him i say yes the victims freewill had something to do wit it first their freewill and wrong choices may have led them to the incident if it was a spur of the moment murder or lets say they were held hostage or had time to do wateva if you look at it if u have faith u would not give up you will not chose to die you will chose to do anything to save yourself but most people jus make the wrong decision there to they either give up and accept that this is their end where as that is a decision made by freewill to die or they make a decision to save themselves but it is not aided by the rightous state of mind and they still endup dieing but it all comes down to their freewill and the will of others that punishes us and cuses so much problems in this world.

so we have to just try to stop letting our freewill (choices) from being influence by the choices of others and the world and start making our choices relative to gods will and let god be the complete reason behind our choices in life.

i dont no if yall understand this cus i is jus type but if u do good and i am always open to any opinions.

Dwight E. Fox
Bahamas

"Nothing\\\'s Impossible, It Just Hasn\\\'t Been Done Yet"