Does GOD Not Existed?

I believe in a (computer program like thing) that keeps everything in check. When one part begins to go out of sink another part compansates. I call this thing the law of God. This I think explaines (to me) tornadoes, earthquakes, plagues, etc.

"A fool says I know and a wise man says I wonder."

So what? God can't find a better way to put things back in order again then to slaughter his creations?
This sounds like a debate philosophers were having 200 years ago. Both were christian, one believed that this was the best world to live in and that every horror would in fact have good consequences (but we're too stupid to understand), the other thought that it was absurd to close one's eyes to human suffering.

"Durch Nacht und Blut das Licht"

1: are you suggesting such natural disasters are caused by God?
2:I dont go by an assumption. The Christain religion is founded upon FAITH. Faith is the beilief of things unknown, the trust of things not seen.

What exactly is your religion DumbTeen?

""There is no good or evil. Only perception and opinion." Squall FF VIII"

its not really "closing your eyes to suffering" but more, opening them to the possibilty of their being something greater, something beyond our comprehension. our comprehension of "suffering" may not even be "suffering" at all.

or maybe im just insane

"I am Akba-Atatdia"

I don't believe that God does these things personaly. It is his program he has put in place that does these things. I believe God can intercede, and so can we. Jesus said and if you had the faith of a mustard seed, you could tell a mountain to turn over and it will. Art Bell on After Dark did an experiment. A hurrican was heading twords the coast and he asked all his listeners to concentrate on preventing a desaster. The path of the hurricane was redirected. Many believe that it is our attitudes about things that cause things to happen. On the flip side of that, I believe that if you ask God, God may intercede. Prayer and meditation are two very powerful forms of religious activity. Were two or more are gathered in my name, that makes it even more powerful. You might ask - why don't we just live in a perfect world. Genesis tells that we did in the beginning, and we blew it. The Gnositcs however believed that it was necessary inorder for us to realize our full potential.

"A fool says I know and a wise man says I wonder."

I'm sorry - this thread is for non believers. Just ignore me.

"A fool says I know and a wise man says I wonder."

if Faith isn't arbitrary I don't know what is.

Natural disasters are caused by God. Or at least, God has the power to stop them but chooses not to.

"I'm sorry - this thread is for non believers. Just ignore me."
I think the poster wanted for believers and non-believers to discuss the issue so, there's nothing wrong!

Our ancestors blew it, I can't believe God would make us pay for their mistakes. I can't even believe God would make Adam and Eve knowing they would blow it (he is all knowing after all)

"Durch Nacht und Blut das Licht"

Faith is definitely arbitrary, but it is faith that gives some people comfort.
We had the chance for a perfect world. But man had to give that up for a little taste of immortality. Like i said before, man created his own problems, starting from the first sin. In the end, it is believed in Christianity that God WILL ultimately wipe out humanity and start over by creating a new Heaven and Earth. So in the end, you get your wish DumbTeen. God will eventually destroy us all, everyone but the pure of heart. All but his believers will be left behind. If man had not sinned, we would not live in such a time and place with conditions such as war. We blew it, and we need to blame ourselves, not God.
((im out for the night. i'll be back on tomorrow))

""There is no good or evil. Only perception and opinion." Squall FF VIII"

I do not wish for our destruction!
If anything I wish that our decisions could be made rationally, without emotion and arbitrariness.

I do not deny that belief in God can bring comfort, but unless God has acted in your life, that belief is arbitrary.

"Durch Nacht und Blut das Licht"

man's decisions can be mad without emotion, as most of mine are. We decide to let our emotion take control of us sometimes.
Oh, and it seems that you believe in God, you just dont worship Him. correct me if Im wrong.

""There is no good or evil. Only perception and opinion." Squall FF VIII"

No I don't believe. If I sometimes sound like I do believe, I probably mean 'if there's a God then... blah'.
With emotions, we must abandon them for all important decisions. When we live normal live our actions can be passionate, stupid, opinionated and bigotted because they don't matter. But when we fight, when our leaders make decisions emotions and arbitrary decisions must be kept out of it.

"Durch Nacht und Blut das Licht"

which proves that decisions can be made without emotion.

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If anything I wish that our decisions could be made rationally, without emotion and arbitrariness.

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""There is no good or evil. Only perception and opinion." Squall FF VIII"

"you proved yourself wrong. "
Well thank you! I didn't know my emotional statements were that important


An important decision? Obviously it depends on the person, but any decision which is important to anyone, is effectively important (if we go by the rule that one person matters as much as another).

If we didn't cede to emotion, American soldiers wouldn't be torturing Iraqis and Israelis and Palestians wouldn't be at each others throats right now.

"Durch Nacht und Blut das Licht"

i never said that we always made decisions without emotion. I said it was possible. meaning most of them do involve emotional involvement.
And one person has never mattered as much as another. this would mean that it wouldnt matter who we made president, because each person matters more. And we wouldnt see the president any different from an ordinary citizen.
And yes, your emotional opinions mean the world to me.

""There is no good or evil. Only perception and opinion." Squall FF VIII"

Let's get a few things straight, DT......

God creates, and God can take away. His choice in the matter. NO matter what you think is right has no conclusive stance with God. In other words, take it or leave it, but but do NOT expect God to persevere in patience with a world of ingrates, pagans, and disbelievers.

As humans do spring house cleaning, so might God. Destroy them, and sort their souls.

He RECLAIMS lives.....so he has that perorgative. Ya have no say in the matter, tootsie.

If ya choose to not believe, so be it, then be prepared for your eternity. I see you have been warned, taught, and counseled in many ways.

You have no one to blame in the end.


And there is nothing done on earth among men that is not involving emotions......even the psychopathetic unfeeling, no conscience killers have emotions....it is called deep rage.

"Life is full of lemons, and the lemonade is sweet."