Does GOD Not Existed?

Your question is big and the answer most likely would be found in nature. It would be a long journey, but most likely you will profit from it.

"A fool says I know and a wise man says I wonder."

We did not inherit 'sin' from Adam and Eve, we only inherited imperfection.
The question here is not is God good or bad(which in itself is pretty stuipid), but wheather He exists or not.
There can never be solid evidence of God, there can never even be solid evidence that you exist. How can you prove your exitence? If I touch you, I can say that it is only a bunch of elestrical signals, so you have no proof.

Anyway, It' s pretty irrelevant wheather God is good or bad, he is neither. Some thing is Good if something bad is done. If a person does good and never sees bad, he will not know that he is doing good. In the same way, God does not do good or bad, he does the 'true' thing.

Why do earth quakes happen? Because everything obeys the laws of physics. They happen becasue of certain processes inside the earth, which are necessary.If it rains, it doesn't mean God is happy with us(oh puleez, that what people used to think 50- 60 thousand years ago).

Another thing. I beleve to some extent (as pointed out before) is that God obeys the laws He creates.
Imajine a computer programmer, who makes a game. while programming it, he decides that when the A button is pressed, the man inside jumps. While playing the game, the programmer then himself has to obey his rules, although he can in between change the configuration a little bit to make a correction or something.

Elemental, could you explain you question of justice through generations a little bit.

"I'll heal ur woundz I'll set u free, I m jesus christ on xtacy"

Yeah, sorry for leaving that vague.

I was wondering why God would punish the decendants of some sinners. The decendants themselves did not commit the sin.
But I think I answered it to myself earlier this week.

Most of you have heard I believe in the body, heart, mind, and soul as the four keys to an existing person. I believe that the mind is to the body as the heart is to the soul in a way. But the main thing is that I believe the soul is the same as a body, but in that different kind of way, if you get what I mean.
This now has to do witht the laws of the universe:

Just as with a body, when one would take drugs, or abuse their body in certain ways, they themselves would have physical problems. And because of that, there would be a mutation in their children, and that problem would be stuck in the DNA until it was determined recessive, or if it was healed in some way.
That would be like the soul. If one does something as a crime against the universe, then their soul would have some problems with it. Those problems would remain in the soul's "genes" and when the soul, in it's mysterious way, bring a new soul to this world, then that soul has an imprint in a way of the soul's "genetic pattern". Until it is determined recessive or is healed.

This is jsut a theory, but it makes sense to me. It is another law of Gods. And also, it brings a thought to me that God does not always choose judgement on people. He does not say "I don't like you so I will throw a lightning bolt at you and your decendants". It is more like, he made the laws, and now those laws act upon themselves to react to the effects of the universe. It is a universal law to reap what you so, and maybe have it imprinted on your existence.

I hope that made sense.

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Anyway, It' s pretty irrelevant wheather God is good or bad, he is neither. Some thing is Good if something bad is done. If a person does good and never sees bad, he will not know that he is doing good. In the same way, God does not do good or bad, he does the 'true' thing.

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"Fate is the shadow cast by the light of our choice. We can change our fate by altering that light."

Hello Everyone and greetings in Christ Jesus!

I have found all of the posts to this thread to be most interesting indeed. I do have something I'd like to throw into your discussion however.

Suppose you had proof of the supernatural. Suppose that you had indisputable proof that Satan, evil or the "dark side" exists, would you then have to believe in God or an infinite being in order to believe that something "good" is holding that something "evil" in check? Well as a Christian I certainly believed this. That is until I met my husband and learned of his rather eery childhood.
You see, his mother, thinking it to be only for fun, decided to play around with a Ouija board. To make a long story short, do you remember the classic horror movie Poltergeist? Well my husband basically lived it. His mother had to move them three times to escape the evil that she had called into their lives! I'm talking blunt evil, like objects flying across the room evil beings manifesting themselves to my husband and his brother. Inparticular a red glowing hand that slid out from under the refridgerator and when, being a child, he curiously reached out to touch it, became a snake that wrapped it'self around his neck! To this day he is terrified of snakes.
No he wasn't dreaming or having a nightmare because his brother experianced this right along with him. Ok now most logical people who hear a story like this would think that my husband would be a devout believer since he was privy to seeing the 'other side.' Would you believe that to this day he struggles with his faith??? It's true, even upon seeing what we deem the impossible as humans trapped in our 3 dementional world, he still questions the existance of God.
So to all of you who say you would believe in God if he would only show himself to you, well I have to really ask you this question Would You?

Please don't use this as an idea to run out and buy a Ouja board to prove to yourselves and others that God really does exist. Though Satan may be willing to jump through your 'hoops' and prove his existance where God wont, I wouldn't advise it. Your certain not to like what you find!

"Lo I am with you always, even until the end of the world"

Hello,

I'm new to this discussion board, though I have posted once before.
I just wanted to say that I noticed that there has been much mentioned about how we can earn our way into Heaven. In other words by doing what is right. I need to point out that this is biblicaly wrong. Christ says, that "I am the way the truth and the life, no one comes to the father but through me." And "For God so loved the world that he gave his only son that whosoever believes in him shall have eternal life.:" It does not say whosover always does what is right. This is important because the world needs to know that the only way to eternal life and salvation is through Christ Jesus Our Lord!
Now once a person has asked Jesus to come into his life and in doing so has stated their belief in Him, then God, through the Holy Spirit, begines to change that person from the inside out. Thus the scripture that states, "By thier 'fruits' ye shall know them." In other words by our acts and our deeds you will know who has the Holy Spirit in them. As a Christian and His servant it is very important to me that you all know this. Too many think that the way to salvation is 'good deeds and acts of kindness' when in reality that is like putting the cart before the horse!

God Bless!

You are part correct Entervention. Because indeed it says if you have not love, but give charity you are an empty gong.
Acts are not the only way, nor is faith. But love is the way.
Love will encompass and direct all hearts to LIVE the life most pleasing to God. Salvation is for God's choice alone. No one knows another's heart. But also, those who shall be first shall be last, and those who are last shall be first.
This says to me, that faith, love, charity can all together or seperately aid in our salvation. But it the one who has all of the above who will be greater than others in heaven.

Salvation is given according to HOW God sees it. He knows all. We as men can see the acts of others and this is how the actions we do, may bring us reward. That is two fold. Because not only are we giving love to others,, but if our actions can bring anyone into the desire to follow God, then we have saved their soul.

Faith is good to believe, because all things are possible, but it is empty if we do not share our faith or help others because we have faith to do so.

Love is the greatest of all, because we can do acts and have faith, but if our hearts are cold, we haven't done it with love.

However, 'lest ye boast' (Of your charity) does not mean you will not make it to heaven. But you will not be rewarded for the acts.

Salvation depends on all of the above. It should be a blended and perfect union. Faith, Love, and Charity, and Love being the greatest.

Love what you said, incidently.

"Even though is difficult, I can still dream."

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We did not inherit 'sin' from Adam and Eve, we only inherited imperfection.

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Anyway, It' s pretty irrelevant wheather God is good or bad, he is neither. Some thing is Good if something bad is done.

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Why do earth quakes happen? Because everything obeys the laws of physics. They happen becasue of certain processes inside the earth, which are necessary.If it rains, it doesn't mean God is happy with us(oh puleez, that what people used to think 50- 60 thousand years ago).

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Suppose you had proof of the supernatural. Suppose that you had indisputable proof that Satan, evil or the "dark side" exists, would you then have to believe in God or an infinite being in order to believe that something "good" is holding that something "evil" in check? Well as a Christian I certainly believed this.

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"Even though is difficult, I can still dream."

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. I believe it is because we are the Saten cast onto this earth.

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"Even though is difficult, I can still dream."

Devilry anew. I am keeping this kinda short, because the one I put alot of effort into did not go through.

Kay, first, from what I have read, God had children without number and worlds without number. Either way, Jesus came to this world to be offered, because we were the only ones who would try killing him.

Although Jesus could have stopped it, we did kill him. Though he did "give up the ghost", it was by the wounds we caused. I mean it as we would be the only ones who would have been the ones to choose him to die over another prisoner, put the thorn crown on him, whip him some many times, and finally nail him to the cross.

As for Entervention, I am wondering about what you said.
If I am understanding what you mean, then I have trouble with what you are believing. What about the children who die before they can understand what Christ is. Surely God would not send them to Hell for it.
But if you mean what I believe in, then I understand completely. I will explain.

People think baptism washes away their sin. Guess what, that is not true. Baptism is taking on the name of Christ, as in accepting him. The washing away using the water is symbolic. Christ was the one who suffered the utmost pain and died for our sins, not the pool of water. Christ is the only way we are getting to heaven, and he does say so. And it is through baptism that this happens.
But then how can those who die before having the opportunity to get baptised enter heaven? In heaven, all people will have the opportunity to learn of christ and recieve a baptism.

I do want to emphasize however that you are wrong if you think that doing good things don't count. Good deeds, faith, love. Those are some of the reasons that we are sent to this world. Why not just stay with God in heaven all along? What is this life for? We are here to be judged, and these attributes are the things that are going to save us in the end.

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About Jesus. You who all believe that he suffered for his sins, I want you to listen. He sweat a drop of blood and suffered every measurement of pain imaginable for the sins that were and the ones to come. He suffered the supreme punishment for us. Let us think of that the next time we sin. Every time we sin, it means that we caused Jesus pain. Every time we sin, it is like a slap in the face or a spitting to the feet of our savior.

"Fate is the shadow cast by the light of our choice. We can change our fate by altering that light."

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You who all believe that he suffered for his sins, I want you to listen. He sweat a drop of blood and suffered every measurement of pain imaginable for the sins that were and the ones to come. He suffered the supreme punishment for us. Let us think of that the next time we sin. Every time we sin, it means that we caused Jesus pain. Every time we sin, it is like a slap in the face or a spitting to the feet of our savior.

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"Even though is difficult, I can still dream."

Hebrews 1:2
"Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds."

Hebrews 11:3
"Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things wich are seen were not made of things which do appear."

Other things like that. I have found alot better before, but these are all I can come up with at this time. I will look more.
(Also, there are more deals with the stars in the universe and how God commands them. I ifound some of these, but not much to say about other worlds.)

"Fate is the shadow cast by the light of our choice. We can change our fate by altering that light."

My bible says 'world' in the singular term.
But this world is enough for me to contemplate. Even this alone is more than I can handle.
Not saying there are not other worlds, or what not.

Just not sure the Apostles would know about them. But who knows. I am curious how they referred to other worlds NOT harming Jesus, and what you said.

How would we compare?
Where is it written that we are the only ones who crucufied him?
What of the other wolrds do we know of through the bible?

"Even though is difficult, I can still dream."

A may have been an oral tradition all the way back from the Hindu religion which speaks of other worlds. The way I learned it, the Jewish religion came from the Hindu religion.

"A fool says I know and a wise man says I wonder."

To DumbTeen: I cant understand where you get the idea that God causes all the problems that MAN CREATES FOR HIMSELF!! We make our own problems from the choices we make with the gift of free will that God gave us. God doesnt want to make us love him. He wants us to make that choice ourselves. We were made in Gods own image. That means that we can somewhat comprehend Him. Like the Head Admin said, we cannot comprehend anything over us, so a higher being such as God doesnt seem logical to many people. We try to use science to find an explanation. But since man is imperfect, so is our science. Many people try to excuse God by saying that His existence cannot be proven. But it also cannot be disproven, and I feel that is what those who try to disprove Him ultimately fear. There is no scientific explanation that can disprove God's existance as our imperfect existance cannot disprove something so perfect as God. Our puny minds cannot comprehend something outside our imperfect thought of existance. Our vain attempts to disprove Him only show our fear of such an onmipresent, onmiscient being. DumbTeen, noone is forcing you to believe in God, but be considerate of others and dont publicly blame God for your troubles and the troubles of others. Man makes his own problems.

""There is no good or evil. Only perception and opinion." Squall FF VIII"

I have 2 points :
- disease, plagues, earthquakes, hurricanes, tornadoes, floods etc... Are they man made?
- Why do you go by the assumption he exists? I go by the assumption that he exists as much as every other non-proven thing.

"Durch Nacht und Blut das Licht"