why is suicide frowned on???

There must be very many reasons instances and situations that make people commit suicide, maybe I cant even begin to comprehend the simpler ones, maybe some think its a positive move and others dont know what they are doing, if you dont know I dont think you can judge them on selfishness, it just makes you realize that there is that raw edge on life and people and you have to take people seriously, instead of thinking its just a a carefree frolic, even when it is for you it might not be for someone else.

As far as why suicide is illegal, it goes back to the times when people clearly belonged to the royals and weren't freemen (as is the case in England today). Like any good 'farmer', they counted on the production of every 'cow'. If you commit suicide they lose production and money. Thus, the penalty, often exacted from the 'heirs'.

As for suicide itself, it is the extreme method of shutting down the senses. When I was going through tough times in my life - confrontations - I would close my eyes and try to get that old movie calendar to blow off some pages and 'fast-forward' to the end of the confrontation, or just go to bed and go to sleep: Shut Down. When my first wife died, I contemplated suicide. Instead I retreated inside myself until pulled out - with no help on my part. I can fully understand someone wanting to shut down. Individual values are so varied, that I'm 100% positive that each of us has a 'hot' button that if pushed would bring about the total desire for a total shutdown. It just depends on where you are in your life and how much that 'button' means to you in relation to the other 'buttons' in your life.

Instead of condemning suicide, we need to get in touch with our friends and family and find out what really makes them tick. What is that 'hot button'? No ridicule, no scorn, just an attempt to understand and make certain that that button doesn't get pushed, no matter how trivial it may seem to us.

"Popular dissidents are merely pacifiers given to us by the Government to keep us in line and thinking someone is making a ruckuss."

The best way not to get caught in suicidal thoughts is to have a future planned, to know exactly what you want to do and keep going for it.
I for one, want to leave a big scar on tyhe human race

"No matter how fast light thinks it is, it will always find that Drakness has beaten it and is already waiting..."

Murder is wrong, and self murder is wrong.

taking a life, even your own is taking a life.

IF someone is capable of killing themself, they are not loving themself, and have a HUGE pride/ego issue to deal with.

IF everyone would kill themselves...what would we accomplish?

They are reasons for lives.....and if someone kills themself, and they were predestined to do something wonderful...they cut off the life's path for someone else possibly.

(Ex; future children, grandchildren...etc)l

"Life is full of lemons, and the lemonade is sweet."

Suicide is complicated. When you ponder on the thought of suicide, whether it be planning the act, or just suicide in general, you touch upon several different realms of life. You ask, why is it WRONG to commit suicide, and I ask you, why is it RIGHT to live? In order to answer your question, you would first have to know the value of life, because although the ultimate outcome of suicide is death, the foundation, and causes that motivate the person to commit such an act, is obviously,and undenyably [/i]life.
So the question for now, shouldnt be why is suicide frowned upon, but why is living, enticed? What is so great about living...Well, i've got my philosophy, if it weren't for life i'd have nothing to do. Which isn't that all life is...an endless succesion of time, within this time random events take place, and our minds kind of absorb all of these images and patterns, and all of this is taking place in the existence of space? When you put life down to a science, not even just the primal, and natural part, such as, we are here to mate,kill,and eat, but the foundation of the mating killing and eating, namely space and time, what is there really worth living for? I could go on relating this to religion,and all things spiritual and moral (not saying i would be totally accurate) but, thats for a different forum...lol, this all is extremely unorganized, sorry for any inconvienence.

""That all knowledge begins with experience, there can be no doubt...""

that is a very good point. life is the one reason why suicide isnt committed. aside from those with obvious mental disorders, when a person is contemplating suicide, the main and if not only reason for not actually going through with it is because of life. even if you believe in reincarnation, killing yourself marks the end of a chapter. my personal beliefs toward suicide stem from my value of life, not only my own but those around me. and as if i havent said it enough in this thread already... it is very selfish for a person to take their life away from themselves, as well as others.

"I am Akba-Atatdia"

suicide as the most selfish thing huh?

Hmmm, I've come to notice that peoples all consuming (literally) desire to live and preserve all human life to be the most selfish thing I've ever seen.

Don't see how you say, well, as i've been saying lately on other threads we consume and destroy everything we come in contact with, including us and everything we make.

We claim to have God given rights to everything.

Killing yourself may just be pointless, we don't really know, it may be a big mistake, if you end up somewhere you like even less per se'.

But while we are still attempting to be politically correct and are determined to promote that a meaning of life exists regardless of no one knowing it, you won't hear many people in american society promoting it, killing of any sort (other than non human entities of course, kill away right), mainly cause that challenges religious beliefs and you know how stubborn they are.

They do actually have japanese insurance policies that allow payment even in the event of suicide, which under a discrace or family emergency is indeed considered honorable, I've heard of a policy like that around the states but don't know if its true.

Once overcrowding becomes more widespread around here we will have very different feelings about the value of life and issues like abortion, euthinasia, suicide, capital punishment, even murder.

Suicide is only bad if indeed all (human or other) life if truly sacred and if we aren't the plague of the earth, so once you get all figured out then we'll see what we have

"The Greatest Enemy of Knowledge is Not Ignorance, It is the ILLUSION of Knowledge. Stephen Hawking"

To further leftwood's point... legal restrictions based on individual morals are only a luxury right now.

As time progresses and capitalism becomes more powerful and the population increases, restricting suicide, drugs, sexual kinks, and various other things that society deems "bad" for you will be completely removed from the legal system.

Resources are able to sustain control over such acts... but as resources thin (as they innevitably will) policing theft and murder and anarchy will become a full time job, and little meaningless restrictions like "no marijuanna because it's bad for you" will become "we're focussed on other shit... if you're too stupid to take care of yourself, that's your problem... not a taxpayer's"

...and I fully support this!

I'm probably re-stating what I said earlier, but although idealistically everyone should live their lives and survive what pain they go through, i personally have not experienced being raped by my father while being tied to a bed and starved for days on end... hence, I am unable to claim that someone who is plagued by demons should be critisized for their desire to end this life that God gave them... I mean, some people have it worse than others, which is an undeniable fact... the moment you feel this unfairness is critical, take it up with Him when you get there.

"Hating everyone protects me from elitism."

Decius, so its ok to kill yourself if your in a bad position compared to someone else? i agree that no one can fully understand someone elses views on life, but you dont have to have an awful life to be miserable. take me, i have a perfect life, really, and yet before i became a Christian i was truly miserable. i was never suicidal, but i think that was just becasue i have a naturally optimistic view on life.

if what you say happens, and society stops caring about what happens to the people that make it up, wouldnt that be the end of civilization?

"life sucks but its better than the alternative"

I'm not saying suicide is good.

I'm saying, anyone who with certainty says that suicide is bad is wrong, because they have not suffered what someone else may have suffered, or in the same way. Additional to the fact that everyone suffers differently, certain people have methods of dealing with suffering differently.

It's almost impossible to compare yourself to someone else, let alone judge their methods of escape.

Regarding society focussing on protecting individual rights rather than hinder them, id ont' think that will mean the end of civilization. All it means is that individual responsibility for your own well being lies solely with you, which I think is the way it should be right now.

"Hating everyone protects me from elitism."

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Firstly, no one can ever judge another person's level of pain, nor can they judge the threshold every person has.

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I totally agree. The truth is you will most likely see an end to your pain at some point...

but sometimes you don't even care to. Sometimes the path leading to that is filled with so much foreseeable pain that you'd rather just end it than deal with it.

I'm not saying it's right, or good... I'm saying it simply is.

"Hating everyone protects me from elitism."

Suicide is a choice. Just as there is a reason and a purpose for life, there is also a reason and a purpose for suicide (same for every possible experience that has ever and will ever exist).

I don't think that by saying suicide is okay means that suddenly the suicide rate would skyrocket. Just like by legalizing drugs, the entire world would suddenly become drug addicts.

They are choices we all have

Sometimes suicide teaches the people remaining to be more considerate and compassionate. When we see someone die by any method, especially someone young it makes you sit up and take notice of what their life represented. Suddenly the words they spoke carry so much more meaning.

A good friend of mine killed himself in high school it altered my perspective greatly, and many other people who knew him, for the better.

I guess all I'm saying is that there is a purpose for everything.

"Love everyone, question everything and look up!"

well at least that there is a good and bad too all based on general notions of the words, purpose is debateable, seemingly only able to be understood or implemented by an intelligent source of all existance, then only such a source could say that purpose exists in regards to a meaning of life, because so far what I've seen described as purpose didn't seem to serve much more purpose than to make others believe that purpose exists.

"The Greatest Enemy of Knowledge is Not Ignorance, It is the ILLUSION of Knowledge. Stephen Hawking"

But wouldn't you consider the idea that sometimes suicide makes people more considerate and compassion a purpose?

That's just one example of the effect suicide may have and I'm sure there are many.

Purpose is just something that leads to an end resuilt. People still living becoming more compassionate and considerate would be one possible end result.

"Love everyone, question everything and look up!"