why is suicide frowned on???

Because of the word purpose's infinite possible applications I specifically was referring to a purpose or meaning to life, in terms of is there any and who would know (besides "god" and would we know if they know for sure.

Honestly on one level I regard consideration and compassion byproducts of social emotional interaction based on, as living biological creatures, nothing more significant than survival instincts. If the concept I refer is unclear let me know, I've gone into it some more on other threads but just want to answer only the questions you have while repeating and rambling.

But on another, such as the current existance of a consistently existing (in terms of reality, I wake up everyday and the same world and emotion based society is still here, unchanged for the most part) From that perspective I believe greatly in such concepts of compassion, it is one of the base concepts for what I understand to be or lead to a higher understanding.

I have had my own experieces open my eyes on some things from a young age as well, and so far from what I can tell, I can understand and agree with what you said in the context aforementioned.

"The Greatest Enemy of Knowledge is Not Ignorance, It is the ILLUSION of Knowledge. Stephen Hawking"

I think individuals who feel that suicide is "wrong" have a self-elevated sense of themselves within the universe. From a macro-universal perspective, it's really insignificant if an ant in a far corner of the galaxy jumps off of a bridge. Suicide, like abortion, is a personal choice that each individual should have the right to exercise without any correlated bullshit from society. It doesn't necessarily have to mean that they hate themselves or are self-loathing. We over-emphasize the quanitity of life without any thought to the quality of life. My life is good and I'm having a great time, but I can tell you, at the point that the quality sucks, if there's no chance of it improving, I'll gladly check myself out. I mean, we put our dogs to sleep because it's the "humane thing to do". In that the word "humane" derives from "human", why don't we apply the same lack of judgment when the issue is applied to people?

"Is there a pragmatic society?"

"I think individuals who feel that suicide is "wrong" have a self-elevated sense of themselves within the universe."

I think you give people that make blanet statements too much credit. They usually only say that because thats what they were taught (don't forget its a one way ticket to hell according to some), and that they may not want to lose someone, obviously.

"The Greatest Enemy of Knowledge is Not Ignorance, It is the ILLUSION of Knowledge. Stephen Hawking"

I tried suicide twice,
and honestly looking back,
if I had succeeded,
I would hope people thought I was a cop-out.

We all suffer, life .. the ones who end it are the ones who take the "easy" way out, and honestly, I have no goddamn respect for them. Even Elliott Smith, his work is beautiful but his suicide was a bloody negation of the respect I once had.

But then again, like its already been mentioned, it's a personal choice. How I choose to react to it is my ordeal, and since they're dead anyway, I don't care to think back on it. They just shortchanged the world of what they could have offered, who they could have touched, who could have loved them. They're non-existent.

"Milk, almonds and pistachios."

I think suicide can be justified. If someone is in pain for long periods of their life and medical science cannot help then why shouldn’t they be aloud to terminate their life? I think that Free will should give us this choice. This issue becomes blurred when it involves euthanasia, no not youth in Asia, Euthanasia, which means Good Death in Greek. This is assisted suicide; I think it can be justified as well, for example if someone is in serious pain. Other reasons such as depression, I think do not justify suicide. Its an easy way out I can see why this is frowned upon. I know a severely disabled guy who lives life to its fullest, this attitude can inspire us all.

By the way how do you add a picture to profile?

"Great visions often start with small dreams"

I have to admit, I have thought about suicide as well, but like Hamlet, I worry that being dead might be worse than being alive...Besides, everything about the nature of life strives and struggles to survive, to continue living...It's seems part of the principle of life...I wonder if the nobility of a human being is achieved by what he does to overcome pain and misery, that living despite adversity and conducting himself in a way that expresses bravery is beauty itself...Suicide may be eliminating one's possibilty of achieving spiritual nobility...Just a thought...

"Each conscious mind is alone in the universe!"

suicide is frowned on because it is killing. is not killing wrong? it goes against moal standards and laws. that brings me to another subject. is not abortion wrong?

The question of whether abortion is right or wrong carries with it religious implications that step beyond empirical observation and proof...Whether I believe it is right or wrong does not change my opinion that governmental law should not prevent it...Whether a fetus is a human being from conception is beyond scientific investigation and, therefore, beyond the scope of of governmental law. I personally don't think abortion is right. Yet I don't the government should be allowed to prevent a woman from having one.

"Each conscious mind is alone in the universe!"

Why is it that people say that people who commit suicide are 'selfish' I do not understand that at all. If someone is very unhappy for whatever reason and they wish to do themselves in and stop themselves because others will be hurt that is selfless so why if they go ahead is that selfish?
If someone you knew commited suicide and found peace vs carrying on a horrid life what would you feel is worse for them and you?

"No one ever won a war by sitting in a ditch"

suicide, the forbidden subject in most christian homes, schools and social circles.
how to justify the destruction/termination of a life, even if it's ones' own.
yes, once in my life even i considered to take the "easy" way out, only thing ... it's not really so easy.
ever tried putting a loaded 9mm luger short to your head with the intention of pulling the trigger.

i don't think that any problem can ever be big enough for one to sacrifice ones' own life.
i know sometimes it feel like you just can't go on anymore...
sometimes you feel like giving up, feel like ending it all.
but the minute you pull that trigger or swallow that pill.
the minute you make that choice.
that is when life beat you, and you are the loser... sorry no second place.

"Fear the Lords who are secret among us."

humm...intersting view there monogoloid..would'nt exactly agree with you though...more thought needed...this is a bad day..

"Never love anything enough that you cannot bare to see it die"

Someone will listen:

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I have not read all these threads, I was gettting too emotional, i noticed someone mentioned the hotline, so here it is. I also fully agree with those who have been saying that we all need to show a little more compassion. Let us try to understand one another, give eachother the benefiet of the doubt, and understand that some people have made desicions that they could not aviod at the time. Let's try to change that. Spread hope, happiness and love, these things only do good as they are passed from one person to another.

"Art washes away from the soul the dust of everyday life"

its hard for ppl to understand why ppl even commit suicide. you think u knew them then u find out u do not. its not the person only thinking of themselves i think, its sometimes hard to deal with things and its really hard to explain unless u been there i guess which i have. i have tried a few times but when it came to it i couldnt do it or it didnt work. but i was glad to be there the next day and then i went on to cutting which didnt last long but i found someone and eveythings changed. i cant believe i wanted to die and miss all this sstuff in life. its hard though sometimes ill admit but somethings u cant control and are hard so basically i think its different with every person and it leaves everyone in confusion.

"theres ppl who know and ppl who think they know"

Suicide is a polemic topic, such as everything that involves death, I’ve read some of the posts and my position about suicide is this:

Suicide is a decision that you can take, maybe it’s the easy way out for some people but as mongoloid said it is not so easy, lots of people had thought about it and had had the gun or the pills in their hands but when you have it there, that’s where you realize it is very hard, that you may consider another opportunity or that you may have thought about it but you’re not really going to do it; that’s why I think that people who actually commit it or try should not be frowned upon or criticized or been told selfish, ‘cause when you’re in a point like that, when you feel so f****** bad that you would rather kill yourself, you can do it, you deserve to rest, your not breathing your suffering the air (I don’t know if I making myself clear, I’m trying), you’re not being selfish because as there’s a point where your liberty ends and it is where the other’s liberty stars, there’s a point where being selfish ends and it is where you’re consuming yourself just because you don’t want to hurt someone else. I don’t think you should live a damn life just because you don’t want to hurt someone, if you feel to bad about them, either you’re afraid of doing it and you take it as an excuse or you should talk or write a letter where you thank them, you tell it is nobody’s fault, that you just couldn’t stand living (I’m assuming, in this case, that you’ve already looked for help, any kind of help and that it didn’t work out)

I think that you have the right of committing suicide if you CAN do it, I mean if you’re really capable of doing it.

I tried to suicide, with pills, and I'll tell you something funny, I have had worst moments after that and I don't know how but I keep going, sometimes I feel curious of how my life would be when I grow old, at least after graduating from the university, sometimes dreams help even wanting to go to a Manchester United match or make a living in England...

This is a letter that I friend wrote me when she knew I had tried to suicide. It's good to let you know that she wanted to suicide when she wrote it but she just couldn't find the moment or the force on herself (she didn't dared to do it):

Ana
Hi, this is one of those letters that you think all your life y never end up to be like you wanted, and it is one of those letters because you're too good, too perfect to give you this kind of letter...
I would like to give you an infinite notebook (she read a notebook where I wrote all that I didn't say to anybody, like I was sad and that I couldn't stand the world anymore) where your words don't fit just your tears, where no one judge you, not even you... where you see yourself from outside what you are inside... I wish you could see yourself as I see you... I wish that you understand that nothing and nobody is more worthy than you... that it isn't you, is the rest of the world who's wrong (I differ...)...

I have never ever met someone so brave as you... I told you once that I would want to be as brave as you (she's refering to the attempt of suicide, I'm 'brave' because I dared to try, she didn't) and I would want to know how to shape my feelings on a paper like you do.

I would also like to give you ALL the walls in the world so that you can paint them however you like it and to decorate them in the way that you preffer, obviouslu I can't give you all pero I can give you my heart so you decorate it how you like

I would want to answer all the questions you have pero I don't know if I can and I don't know if you want to have the answers, NO, you're not having a bad time because of adolescence... it isn't about ages... it's about life, it's about you.

I admire you very much, very very much, 'cause it doesn't matter how much times you fall you keep on smiling to what you call life and we'll never know if it is life or death, it just is...

If you just believe that I love you, I know it is not enough, it is never enough, but it is something...

Girl, thanks for everything, for you, for your life, yeah, thanks for saving it...
Thanks for opening a piece of your heart, I don't know if it is big or small, I don't care, I just care you opened it, thatnks for trusting on me, thanks for letting me help you, thanks for letting me know someone like you...

I don't care if you're crazy, maniac, depressive, explosive (I'm not explosive)... I don't care, you can be a cockroach or a star, I would still love

Finally, I want you to know that I'm always going to be there (typical)... if you need to talk with me, just tell me, if you need a hug, ask me for one, if you need to cry, call me and we'll cry together.

ILTM (I love too much)

Dani

Life is a dream, and dreams are dreams

Dream that without dreams eveything cease to exist

(Those are her quotes too)

It ends there

That letter helps me a lot to keep on going,

SO DO WHATEVER YOU CAN AND IF YOU STILL WANT TO SUICIDE, DO IT

"In the sea of ilutions and frustations that life is, some swim and some drown"

Sorry if it was too long, if you can and want, read it!

"In the sea of ilutions and frustations that life is, some swim and some drown"