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276 Posts / 38M
     :   21yrs   :  
Zato

quote:
Creation is good

Destruction is bad


I'm going to have to disagree with this one.
I view creation and destruction as equal in my eyes.


"Anything is Possible when you think illogically."

2203 Posts / 66M
     :   49yrs   :  
okcitykid

Actually my frame of ref is

If its successful it must be right

If its a failure it must be wrong

But this can be deceptive because sometimes it looks like you are succeeding to only fail down the road. Sometimes it might look like you are failing, but not to give up to soon, success is just around the corner.

I will further qualify by asking - Are my actions destructive to myself and others or creative, building me up and others.


"A fool says I know and a wise man says I wonder."

210 Posts / 36M
     :   20yrs   :  
Ancient

"Are my actions destructive to myself and others or creative, building me up and others." Every action has infinite consequences.


"Dark and silent and complete."

210 Posts / 41M
     :   33yrs   :  
PeteSmith

With all these different views on what the frame of reference is for good and bad, how can we say anything is really wrong or right if it just boils down to someones interpretation and personel ideas?

For anything to be called evil or bad we have to have some objective moral framework or point of reference. If we dont what are we measuring it against.


""What we do in life echoes in eternity" Maximus"

276 Posts / 38M
     :   21yrs   :  
Zato

quote:
With all these different views on what the frame of reference is for good and bad, how can we say anything is really wrong or right if it just boils down to someones interpretation and personel ideas?

For anything to be called evil or bad we have to have some objective moral framework or point of reference. If we dont what are we measuring it against.


Thats right, and it is not possible for everyone to agree because some people are just completely opposite of me let alone everyone else in the world.
We can't all agree on this, its not going to happen.


"Anything is Possible when you think illogically."

2203 Posts / 66M
     :   49yrs   :  
okcitykid

The heart knows the truth:

quote:
Romans 2:15 who show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and between themselves their thoughts accusing or else excusing them)


"A fool says I know and a wise man says I wonder."

359 Posts / 43M
     :   20yrs   :  
eliasan

quote:
Every action has infinite consequences
or infinte rewards.
quote:
The heart knows the truth:



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Romans 2:15 who show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and between themselves their thoughts accusing or else excusing them)
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Actaully the heart doesnt know the truth. Yes i know you were most likelly speaking metaphorically. Still that passage proves nothing. Or for that matter says anything.


"Fear nothing for fear is the mind killer."

276 Posts / 38M
     :   21yrs   :  
Zato

I believes he is referring to the concious.

Which if you were, differs immensely from person to person.


"Anything is Possible when you think illogically."

2203 Posts / 66M
     :   49yrs   :  
okcitykid

quote:
Actaully the heart doesnt know the truth. Yes i know you were most likelly speaking metaphorically. Still that passage proves nothing. Or for that matter says anything.


So tell us - how do you determine right and wrong?


"A fool says I know and a wise man says I wonder."

210 Posts / 36M
     :   20yrs   :  
Ancient

You don't. You just decide what you like and what you dislike. Which obviously differs from person to person.


"Dark and silent and complete."

2203 Posts / 66M
     :   49yrs   :  
okcitykid

So some people like to rape and murder and the thrill of the steal, and thats just alright.


"A fool says I know and a wise man says I wonder."

276 Posts / 38M
     :   21yrs   :  
Zato

To them it is right.
To us possibly not.


"Anything is Possible when you think illogically."

210 Posts / 36M
     :   20yrs   :  
Ancient

Yeah it is alright.


"Dark and silent and complete."

1687 Posts / 40M
     :   20yrs   :  
awakendwraith

i dont see anything wrong with it


"Wht cry for those that often cry? Instead, help them smile, and smile for those that smile."

1687 Posts / 40M
     :   20yrs   :  
awakendwraith



COME THE FUCK ON ! ! ! ! !

like we havent had this conversation A THOUSAND TIMES


"Wht cry for those that often cry? Instead, help them smile, and smile for those that smile."

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