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1334 Posts / 41M
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summit

yes. The majority of the world cannot or have not realised that 'truth' is not universal. And it is generally the ignorant who freely accept the hypothetical 'truth'.


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1347 Posts / 39M
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etherealmeekle

Truth is universal though. Life and death are both examples of universal truth. Relative truth is simply a tehnique to makes people feel better about themselves. Happy, ignorant people are easy to control.


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summit

http://www.captaincynic.com/thread.php3/thrdid=47540-u-frmid=1-u-page=0#4
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life and death are examples of your 'truth'. it is not universal.


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1347 Posts / 39M
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etherealmeekle

How does that make sense? Are you telling me that your truth does not involve life or death? If truth is merely a perception than it is not truth at all but rather an opinion.


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1334 Posts / 41M
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summit

What I am saying is- that the ideology of 'truth' only exists in the mind. Every individual sees their reality as their truth. However reality is not universal. My arguement is that there is no such thing as one 'truth'. Truth, is simply just an opinion- it can go no further than that. Life and death are biological truths yet they are not universal truths.


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etherealmeekle

quote:
What I am saying is- that the ideology of 'truth' only exists in the mind


And I am saying it doesn't. Biological truths are universal for are we not all biological?


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1334 Posts / 41M
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summit

all i've done is given my opinion, just like you have and everyone else.

as i said- there is no one truth. individual truth exists in the mind. Try and think outside the box... there may be other truths external from biological organisms. However these truths are of course not part of our reality of our 'truth'


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1347 Posts / 39M
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etherealmeekle

If there is no univsersal truth then we no longer need to think.


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1334 Posts / 41M
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summit

it should be the other way around- if there is universal truth then we no longer need to think, because everything would be figured out. Individuals and societies thrive on thought.

We all have individual truth, which allows us to think, question and ponder about life and reality. However we don't have universal truth. It also depends on how you define life as. It seems that most people's purpose to life is to search for the ultimate universal truth. Yet they won't be able to explore further than their individual truth.


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1347 Posts / 39M
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etherealmeekle

Universal truth is something to keep searching for, but individual truth is right here and we never have to examine it because it is self justified so that ends our thought process.


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1334 Posts / 41M
     :   22yrs   :  
summit

The ability to ask questions is the greatest resource in learning the individual truth.

"Believe nothing just because a so-called wise person said it. Believe nothing just because a belief is generally held. Believe nothing just because it is said in ancient books. Believe nothing just because it is said to be of divine origin. Believe nothing just because someone else believes it. Believe only what you yourself test and judge to be true." Buddha

Once that is done, you may find your individual truth.


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2827 Posts / 91M
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Decius

I agree whole-heartedly with Ethereal, and dissagree whole-heartedly with summit.

People perceive there to exist relative truths which provides them with the excuse to create false assumptions to make their bad decisions easier to cope with.

The biology of birth and death, along with the scientific fact that God (if he exists) chooses not to show himself to us in a prove-able way creates a reality for humans that forms the basis of a universal truth.

The concept of truth being relative may pertain to one's own choices in how they intend to flourish in the world, but that does not in any way influence the universal truth of existance, which is the same for everyone.


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1334 Posts / 41M
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summit

quote:
universal truth of existance, which is the same for everyone.



You claim existence is universal truth. However existence only exists in individual truth. Your individual truth tells you that there is universal truth. This is one-sided. There is no universal truth- think about it.


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2827 Posts / 91M
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Decius

quote:
However existence only exists in individual truth

I don't understand what that means.

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Your individual truth tells you that there is universal truth

Not if your existance is not individual. If you exist in a way that shares your thoughts and emotions and experiences with someone else, they, in essence, exist with you.

And that's a moot point. Your statement's only basis is "if you haven't experienced it, you can't fathom the possibility" which is bullshit.

You can write and fantasize and imagine many things that you will never experience to quite a large degree of accuracy. So someone intelligent could decipher the truth for another person (psychologists) and/or humans as a species.


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1334 Posts / 41M
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summit

Existence only exists in individual truth; yes I know it is initially a confusing statement to understand. This is a 'reality exists in the mind' concept. I believe that our inner reality or individual truth is existence, yet it may be possible that in an external reality we do not exist (i'll explain further below).
We have the conciousness to be able to know or think of our existence. Some people see existence as physical reality. Some would see it beyond the 'real world' and into a form of spiritual realm. Is reality an existence? Is the way we perceive things via our 'inner' realm a reality? (reality exists in the mind concept). Is our reality and or existence socially constructed?

My individual truth of the 'real' world is a postmodernist realm, that there is no one universal truth . I don't like to seek ultimate 'truth', but only reasons; only individual truth. What you define truth as, isn't universal. Space, me, and life exists because it is part of my 'inner' individual reality or truth...i'll explain this right below

This is how I perceive individual reality, truth and existence:
The only way we can reason reality, truth or existence is through our own mind. The world "out there", external reality, is a shared universe of common experience. It is the lowest common denominator of all our experience. We take it for granted and it supplies us with a common field of action. That is all it is. Your realm of personal "mind" is another sort of universe. You experience it every second 24/7. From your inner mind comes all meaning about everything in the "outer" universe. You may be influenced by the external world of common experience, but this inner individual universe exists, is very real, and is ultimately of more value than anything "out there". Why? Because what happens "out there" depends totally on what you do or what occurs with your own mind. Your personal universe is the only thing able of deciding value. What you perceive from the 'outer' universe is received and detected in your 'inner' reality. When one's inner reality is destroyed through belief systems, one can only after time become a shadow of raw matter and energy - which in itself is meaningless and dead. In the end, what you end up believing "in" or "about" is basically an action of your own mind to attach meaning and significance to something.


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Not if your existance is not individual. If you exist in a way that shares your thoughts and emotions and experiences with someone else, they, in essence, exist with you


Some people would agree with you, but others would say that once one shares anything with someone else; it is no longer individual but rather a shared experience.


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