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why do you believe in god?

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1816 Posts / 67M
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cturtle

Hmm . . . at times I will use quote to identify a particular statement, but I use it to reference the whole statement w/o quoting the whole statement? I don't generally don't like taking things out of context so I assume the reference will be read in its fullness by others while I may take exception to a particular point.
I would agree Descartes didn't prove GOD's existence but referred to his belief just as noted about Einstein, etc. As pointed out science is based on logic & religion upon beliefs, yet many recognized leaders in science, etc came to some belief in GOD [their prefect time].
At the time of the Olld Testments, who would have the slightest comprehension of atoms, foundations were need to lead to the conception of the atomos by the Greeks.
Revelation was written within a general frame of understanding basic principles (war, famine, etc) yet the use of metaphors shows lack of comprehension of the specifics.
patape, you lost me on the last statement?


"Terrorist or tyrant, few may come to the Truth that both are poor choice."

1669 Posts / 64M
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Angelfire

patape - Sorry I don't understand much of that

cturtle - Many scientists are religious of course. But we seperate their scientific theories from their religious beliefs because they do not argue for them the same way.
I will not believe in God because Einstein did. Nor will I believe in general relativity because Einstein did. I will believe in Relativity because Einstein used a good method to prove it. I will not believe in God because it is based on Faith.


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461 Posts / 53M
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sleepingwraith

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"Life is such sweet sorrow."

1669 Posts / 64M
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Angelfire

Well that's a bit harsh on yourself


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1816 Posts / 67M
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cturtle

quote:
but I get upset with myself when I think I have offended someone.

Can't say about others but I wasn't offended. This is a place where people can voice their feelings & point of view (hopefully). Aplace where we can exchange & come to some understanding of others & ourselves better.
Hostility is not exactly neccessary but connfrontations are part of the sharing your view with those who see it differently.


"Terrorist or tyrant, few may come to the Truth that both are poor choice."

461 Posts / 53M
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sleepingwraith

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"Life is such sweet sorrow."

1816 Posts / 67M
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cturtle

quote:
No offence meant, just to see if I understand.

Teen
Just because I can imagine a perfect chocolate sundae doesn't mean a perfect chocolate sundae gave me the idea of the perfect chocolate sundae.
Patape
your memory, feelings & senses can create and mix things together in your perception of an experience. Create whatever mental images or feelings you want & label them as "seeing god" or an aspect of "soul" (continue of Teen) i want to answer more fully, should have before & will do so later..


"Terrorist or tyrant, few may come to the Truth that both are poor choice."

329 Posts / 55M
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patape

sorry, what i was trying to say before was, that once youve seen, (or sensed in another way such as smell or just feelings felt) certain things (like if you saw a couple textures and shapes) your brain can then mix it up a million ways to give many types of mental images, including spirit god feelings etca...


"no quote until i copyright it.."

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patape

you can imagine a "choclate sunday" however it looks to you, after seeing a few textures, colors etc.. just like you can imagine feeling of spirit after senseing so many feelings.. wait on


"no quote until i copyright it.."

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cturtle

Hmm . . the art of shape-shifting is the ability not to pretending to be something but rather when you stop pretending & start becoming that thing?


"Terrorist or tyrant, few may come to the Truth that both are poor choice."

329 Posts / 55M
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patape

actally when i wrote that i was thinking more of an athiest view, that we can creat image of god and spirits etc.. but that its just us creating it.. but hey however you want to interpert it is fine with me, keep niec viabes


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1816 Posts / 67M
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cturtle

I previously stated that I theorized that spirit doesn't have a physical form as such rather it takes the form which we project upon it. this is normally some cultural bias which we are taught. For many christians the perception of GOD is human in form an ancient being with a flowing beard yet the Bible states otherwise.


"Terrorist or tyrant, few may come to the Truth that both are poor choice."

4000 Posts / 51M
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Ironwood

i wanted to respond on an old post here by angel of death, when they said god is most logical and that "it is more logical than the infinite universes etc."

What is more logical, saying god exists and is the creator of all things doesn't answer anything, saying the bing bang happened doesn't answer anything, how the hell did all of any of that happen to begin with. God is Denial incarnate, a distraction that people are so desperate for that they cling without question, cause they know they can't find any answers and so its as good as anything, don't have to think for yourself and its popular, oh happy day, now people will actually respect me because I happen to buy into the same crap they do so now we can coexist in a social atmosphere were we never have to worry about anyone questioning us (and fear, distrust, and even hate any that do) and making us look at what we actually believe in, a romantic notion. People don't mind arguing but they don't like to have to face their own doubts of reason in terms of what faith they follow, not even so much what they believe. What I mean there is that the core values of religion don't require religion, just be good people, its the fear of a lack of purpose in life and a sense of lonliness or even guilt at being held responsible for their "sins", and fear of hell, and social stigmas and reprecussions, and fear of facing having been lied to all your life about the one thing you thought you had left to believe in, but thats just it, just because religion is the father of all lies that also doesn't mean that god doesn't exist, and that we are nothing and worthless, it might, but thats not the point, thats not what you need to believe, you only need to believe what you feel is right, religion is just politics, a power structure meant to filter and interpret you thoughts for you while telling you how to live, which people buy into because they say the mean well and express things you want to hear, doesn't mean they do all of them and doesn't mean they don't do tons of horrible shit. It just means that they are human and they have found a way to benefit and capatalize on peoples beliefs (whether they share them or not), church serves no purpose but to bring people together in a common interest and perhaps goal. But the message they are supposed to be putting out, last I heard, wasn't for people to be getting their panties in a twist and going around judging, killing, hating, and thinking they know everything, but to be kind loving understanding helpful, all the romantic crap that makes us feel better and safe in a world where its just as possible that thats a bunch of shit and we are just a virus, a plague eating and destroying anything and everything in our path, even us.


"The Greatest Enemy of Knowledge is Not Ignorance, It is the ILLUSION of Knowledge. Stephen Hawking"

91 Posts / 51M
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Domz0r

I aint read all this thread...cos its a bit long

But i was talking to a religious friend of mine, recently, and i asked him why he belived in god he said "Because everything needs a creator, its stated in the Bible"

This got me thinking....

Who created God?
Some one must of if everything needs a creator...

I dont belive in God, but what if he did exsist, would God have a God that created him? And surley if that happend, That God would have a creator.

If this is true... (which i doubt, cos i dont belive in God) maybe we are just a repeated experiment....



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4000 Posts / 51M
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Ironwood

well i wish someone would hurry up and get it right already


"The Greatest Enemy of Knowledge is Not Ignorance, It is the ILLUSION of Knowledge. Stephen Hawking"

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