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Kerry strikes again.

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 56yrs • F •
A CTL of 1 means that Patrish is a contributing member of Captain Cynic.
Kerry strikes again.
I'm not posting this as a knock on Kerry (there are plenty of other issues to do that I'm posting it as a perfect example of just how complicated and stupid most of our gun laws are. I got it from .

1. Don't Arrest Kerry in Shotgun Incident, Gun-Law Expert Says
A Gun-law expert Alan Korwin is calling for calm in the national uproar over John Kerry's possible serious gun violations during a recent photo op in Racine, W.V.

The national clamor over the Democratic presidential candidate, who took possession of a Browning semiautomatic shotgun outside his home state, reflects a problem with the laws and should not be used to arrest and prosecute the man, Korwin says.

A gun crossing state lines is heavily regulated thanks to John Kerry and his ilk.

"There are so many charges Kerry might face," according to Korwin, who has written seven books on gun laws, including the unabridged plain-English federal guide "Gun Laws of America."

1. Taking ownership of the shotgun gift, if he doesn't already have a valid Massachusetts Firearm Identification Card, could subject him to a two-and-a-half-year prison term in his home state. Since he has claimed publicly he owns firearms, chances are he has this critical piece of paper, Korwin says.

2. Bringing the firearm back to Massachusetts, if he received it from a private party, would be a federal felony under the 1968 Gun Control Act (five years in prison, $5,000 fine, 18 USC ยง922).

3. The only exemption that would allow him to bring it into his home state requires that he obtained it in a face-to-face transaction with a federal firearms licensed dealer (FFL). A private gift would not qualify.

4. If Kerry did get it from an FFL, he would have had to personally fill out and sign a 4473 form, required by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (BATFE), before the gift was given, under penalty of federal felony.

5. If Kerry did not personally undergo a "NICS" instant background check before the transfer from an FFL, he would have put the person conducting the transfer in some legal jeopardy, though the law contains a loophole that probably would save Kerry from additional harm (the dealer, not the recipient, suffers from failure to do the NICS check).

While gun lobbyists are inflamed that Kerry introduced a law that would outlaw this particular type of sporting shotgun and gun gifts in general, it is a good thing the law has not passed yet, because then it might be too serious a problem to simply ignore.

Korwin says that calls to indict Kerry are premature and "most certainly overkill. John Kerry should receive the same lenient treatment any other citizen deserves when innocently violating these complex and non-intuitive rules." At least give him a chance to explain, Korwin pleads.

Unfortunately, federal authorities from BATFE have been known in the past to be inflexible in their enforcement of even minor technical violations (note that none of these felony violations involve a victim or any sort of harm). With widely circulated evidence, in the form of photographs of Kerry in obvious possession of the firearm, he could find himself subject to the long arm of the law.

More importantly, Korwin says, "Some of these laws are just foolish, putting honest citizens at enormous and unjustified risk, and are so complicated that even a presidential candidate and his staff cannot figure them out."

Do as I say, not as I do.

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"Life is full of lemons, and the lemonade is sweet."
 35yrs • M •
A CTL of 1 means that UnderDawg is a contributing member of Captain Cynic.
It's another Clinton thing again. Just because he's a democrat, he's allowed to break the law and not be prosecuted, if Bush was caught doing this people would be outraged and would want him thrown in jail asap. *sigh* Bias is so sad...

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"My drum skills > Your drum skills"
 39yrs • F
A CTL of 1 means that Danipog is a contributing member of Captain Cynic.
Dude. Clinton lied about an affair and almost got impeached. Bush lied about a war and hasn't gotten shit.

Fuck it. You start getting into stuff this detailed and irrelevant, it brings down the entire validity of a political argument. Like all this Vietnam shit. Bush sat at home and snorted coke at the National Guard while Kerry went to Vietnam and was wounded three times, but none of that matters now. Their war experience does not truly effect their presidential candidacy, and neither does Kerry carrying around a gun.

I'm looking at this site, and it looks pretty biased, Patrish.

How can you be against gun laws but so strong on clamping down on terrorists in and outside the country? You know how easy it would be for a bunch of people to stockpile guns in order to organize major terrorist attacks, and how much easier it would be without strict gun laws?

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 44yrs • M •
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I can partially agree with you Danipog, but something strikes me as a stretch. In my opinion, (and I'm sure my theory has holes in it) strict gun laws are for "looks" more than anything. If I was a terorist, I wouldn't round up guns in my own name; rather I would go the cheaper and easier way, and get them on the "black market". Shit, smuggling the guns in is probably easier than the background checks, and waiting periods.

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"I'd like to say something profound....."SOMETHING PROFOUND""
 37yrs • M •
A CTL of 1 means that Angelfire is a contributing member of Captain Cynic.
The contradiction often found in conservatives is how they distrust the government to the extreme, they want it shrunk to the minimum and want assault weapons in the hands of individuals to limit the power of the State. And YET, they also trust the government enough to judge if a man deserves to live.

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"Durch Nacht und Blut das Licht"
 39yrs • F
A CTL of 1 means that Danipog is a contributing member of Captain Cynic.
Plus, conservatives introduced the Patriot Act. Yeah, minimizing government power. I hate how we were goaded into that during our dizzied hate and confusion just after September 11th.

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 64yrs • M •
Europe_Rick is new to Captain Cynic and has less than 15 posts. New members have certain restrictions and must fill in CAPTCHAs to use various parts of the site.

Danipog wrote:
Fuck it. You start getting into stuff this detailed and irrelevant, it brings down the entire validity of a political argument.


News flash, some political arguments do actually consist of more substance than "Bush is an idiot."

Detailed discussion of Kerry's hypocrisy in accepting the weapon and holding it aloft professing his respect for the 2nd Amendment is worthwhile. Especially in light of his record consisting of never-ending hostility for the rights of American gun owners

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Kerry strikes again.
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