Voluntary Human Extinction Movement - Page 16

World Population

6,791,793,196

Daily Birth Rate (approx.): 217,666
(Global / after deaths)

'I relate to VHEMT as a Volunteer.'



TO: allimar


Are you spoofing (tomfoolery) me?


First, for me to fully understand how you relate to VHEMT, you could have used a beginning statement (refer to my post*).

* Date / Time Post (Wooly Bully): October 17, 2009 – 7:48 am


Second, it's obvious that you didn't read my previous posts or research (hours – not minutes) the VHEMT web site.

VHEMT
Link:
http://vhemt.org/


To completely understand this controversial Thread (topic) you must read my previous posts:


                  April 18 – 20 – 22 – 23 – 24 – 26 – 28
                  (2009)

                  'The Real MacKay' (member) – April 29, 2009


                  May 3 – 4 – 7 – 14 – 20 – 21 – 24
                  (2009)


                  August 28
                  (2009)


                  September 14 – 15 – 17 – 24
                  (2009)


                  October 11 – 12 – 17
                  (2009)


Otherwise, you will not understand a twofold PRIMARY MESSAGE on this Thread (topic):


                  --- Protection of innocent children.

                  --- Imminent threat of Global overpopulation.



DEFINITIONS

premise
      - a proposition supporting or helping to support a conclusion.

fantasy
      - imagination, esp. when extravagant and unrestrained; imaginative conceptualizing.



The following is my evaluation of your October 20, 2009 – 2:38 pm post:


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allimar:
'Has anyone ever......to other planets?'


ANSWER:

Your entire premise is based on Star Trek / Star Wars "fantasy".

Time passes* as you await fulfillment of your "fantasy". And during that time innocent children are birthed**.


* Forty (40) years ago (July 20, 1969) Apollo 11 (United States) was the first manned mission to land on the Moon .

**SOURCES:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malthusian_growth_model

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malthusian_catastrophe

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moon_landing


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allimar:
'Nature's survival.........well for now.'


ANSWER:

Your statement is spoofing (tomfoolery).

Or, you're illogical.

The historical past IS evidence.
(stones......swords......now nuclear and biological weapons* – pattern shows worse is coming)

      The present IS the current situation.

            The future 'may' (belief system – NOT fact)......


* Fog of War (movie title).


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SUMMARY

Your Pollyanna statements are mere 'fantasies'.

In addition, you're not even considering the moral (immoral) issues regarding the imminent threat of Global overpopulation and the innocent children.


You can relate to VHEMT in one of three ways – Volunteer, Supporter, or Undecided.

Link:
http://vhemt.org/join.htm


VHEMT Volunteer:
'All of us should voluntarily refrain from reproducing further, thereby bringing about the eventual extinction of human beings.'


VHEMT Supporter:
'Intentional creation of one more of us by any of us is unjustifiable at this time. Extinction of the human species goes too far.'


Undecided:
'Stop trying to put words in my mouth. Maybe I'm a Volunteer, or maybe I'm a Supporter. I'd like to know more before I decide.'



Our hope is that you research the VHEMT web site to learn more about the imminent threat of
Global overpopulation.




POPULATION CLOCKS

http://www.yourecosource.com/blog/earth-clock/

http://math.berkeley.edu/~galen/popclk.html

http://www.census.gov/main/www/popclock.html

i am not a supporter i believe it is too slow especially since we're close to using up our drinkable water supply it theorized that we will be out of drinkable water by 2015
im more of a war supporter people die faster i know its not enough deaths per day to make up for the births but i believe with some good ole fashioned teamwork we can kill atleast 2 billion people by 2011

to forgotten truth we did not evolve from apes we both share a common ancestor thats it. its not that we came from them but that we came from the same species. think of it as two branches on the same tree

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I am more of a war supporter people die faster i know its not enough deaths per day to make up for the births but i believe with some good ole fashioned teamwork we can kill atleast 2 billion people by 2011

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petre666 are you willing to go off to war and die then?

It is easy for you to say that war is good and your a supporter if you don't actually have to go anywhere... You're sat at home on your nice computer, you don't know what its like out there.

to cryptic truth- yes i am but my place is not in war it is making the weapons that kill people in wars
to forgotten truth- i have lost people to war before but it has not bothered me when they die because it was their time. and i have no problem with going out and fighting in war but its not my place i am here to improve our killing capabilities. and before you say it is a differrent story when you are out there well ive died before it didnt bother me i was dead for about 30 seconds no pulse no breathing nothing everything went black i felt myself slip away then i opened my eyes again to my friend beating me on my chest i was alright so im ok with death

The movement goes against the nature of the universe. Every living thing wants to survive and will as long as they possibly can. Trying to purposely make something extinct will most likely result in the one's that are not dying trying to survive and reproduce.

When you think of how big the universe is with estimations of hundreds of billions of Galaxies and each Galaxy containing hundreds of billions of stars and each star having a chance of planets revolving around them which also comes the chance of life which then to even contemplate extinction of humanity so to preserve our tiny,insignificant Earth is scary that some like this idea. Earth is just one of trillions.. It's not sacred in a way that it should be worshiped and certainly not a reason to depopulate the most intelligent and advanced of the animals.
What would you think if you heard news that another kind of intelligent beings that lived in our galaxy were trying to convince one another to help participate in bringing their kind to extinction? Wouldn't you not only wonder why but think the idea is simply insane and couldn't possibly be supported by anyone except those that want company in their self hatred towards their own kind.? This movement is a idea of the Elitists that are trying in many different ways to cull the heard so as to have the planet and life extending technology to themselves.. Just like this global warming bullshit is really about control by means of taxation and new rules and laws.. Trendy liberals just want to be a part of something as to feel they fit in.. I love it how some average joe bottom feeders think for some reason that the leaders and officials running the game have good intentions for them because they blindly support whatever agenda put forward. This goes for the Neocons that think it's patriotic to support wars of aggression because the leader of their chosen party said so. There is no difference between the right,left as both sides get their beliefs from the puppet that reads from a teleprompter. The mass extinction movement is made up of people who just want to be a member of something,anything and besides what's more controversial,enticing than promoting global death? I see a common theme is to attempt to pull on the heart strings of the unwitting by claiming it's for the children and how they didn't ask for life. Well it may be true that no one asks for life but if you were to ask someone if they are glad they were born 99% would say YES.
Also funny how it's a basic instinct to live as long as possible. For example if you were drowning you naturally want air. When you say this movement is non violent that is a lie.. Weather it's killing or preventing life the outcome is the same.. If you truly want extinction and don't kill yourself then how does that not make supporters of this movement the world greatest hypocrites? It can't be alright to stop a baby being born if all you people do is make excuses for why you should continue to live until you die naturally.