Sorry mugen, wrote this up before you posted.
"Chris D have you ever seen a picture of an unborn baby at 8 weeks (yes that's 2 months). How can you say that after looking at the image of this tiny life, with the obvious form of a human being that it should be allowed to be killed?"
This argument is really good example of when two sides on an issue go way left and way right, simply for the sake of being right.
Nice pic sorceress. Its pretty cool how you could find a computer generated image like that that made it look like we'ed be killing innocently little defensless babies. Heres a look at an 8 week old EMBYRO ; they arent fetuses yet at 8 weeks, grabbed from the site http://pregnancy.about.com/cs/pregnancycalendar/l/blwbw.htm
which seemed pretty reliable to me.
prenatal developement of the embyro is explained in easy to understand terms on this website http://webspace.ship.edu/cgboer/genpsyfetaldev.html
Now, the thing that you would be "aborting" at 8 weeks old is something that doesnt even have all of the organs required to sustain life, and they are no where near developed enough to be considered human, as explained in the article I just sited. The baby just starts developing the brain in week 8, the beggining of brain development, which leads me to believe that the embryo does not have a consious thought yet, therefor is intirely and without question unaware of its own life. If you believe otherwise I would greatly appreciate it if you gave some sort of information towards your claims much like I have taken the time and care to do for you.
Thirdly, an abortion at that stage of life can be explained here.
How Medication Abortion Works
There are three steps for medication abortion:
Your clinician will give you a dose of either mifepristone or methotrexate at the clinic.
Mifepristone - blocks the hormone progesterone. Without progesterone, the lining of the uterus breaks down, ending the pregnancy.
Methotrexate - stops the growth of the pregnancy in the uterus. It can also stop the growth of pregnancies that develop in a fallopian tube - ectopic pregnancies.
You will take a second medication - misoprostol. Misoprostol softens the cervix and causes the uterus to contract and empty.
You and your clinician will plan the timing and place for the second step - you may take the second medicine at home. Or you may need to return to the clinic. Your clinician will give you instructions on how to take it.
You will take the misoprostol
* up to three days after taking mifepristone
* about five days after taking methotrexate
After you take the misoprostol you will most likely start to bleed heavily within hours or days. This is the abortion. You may see large blood clots or tissue at the time of the abortion.
You will return to your clinician for a follow-up visit within two weeks.
* Follow-up visit. Your clinician needs to make sure the abortion is complete and that you are well. You will need an ultrasound or blood test.
In lamens terms, what this means is that they take a pill that prevents the hormone that makes them a women from being made. That is done to make sure that the cellular embryo in the body does not develope anymore. Then, they are given a pill to make them have a period. That flushes the womens system out. At week eight, when the women has a period she wont even be able to see the embryo that would have been her to-be child.
ChrisD you sick muthafucka! lol
"Listen Sorceress, there are plenty of perfectly good human beings on this planet already. I'm content with saving the time and energy that that baby would take up to help the humans that are already walking and talking on this planet now. Yes, that fetus should be allowed to be aborted if the mother wishes it. It is not independent of the mother and therefore is a part of that mother. She can do what she wants with her body as long as it's her body. I think it's very arrogant to tell someone else what they can and can't do with their body. Scratch that, it's totalitarian."
There is so much idiocy in this statement that I have no choice but to break it down sentence by sentence to try to get you to re-think, not change your point of view just to think about it again, what you just said.
"Listen Sorceress, there are plenty of perfectly good human beings on this planet already."
totalitarian- exercising control over the freedom, will, or thought of others; authoritarian; autocratic.
-an adherent of totalitarianism.
From dictionary.com. Well, unlike sorceress, you didnt give any kind of time limits. (Whic besides the point, leads me to believe that you understand very little about pregnancy) Which means that you are talking about killing a baby. Not an embryo. Something that is entirely aware of its existence. My neice, before she was born, would kick my sister in law in teh stomach untill my brother started talking to her. Not me. Not any of my family, but that person that she was most comfortable with. It doesnt matter that he was her father, it matters that she was aware of his existence. Therefore, by definition, you are a totalitarian for allowing someone to kill something that is aware of its existence. Because it is the will of all man to survive and it is more than apperant that a baby does think even if it is in the whom and you are adhereing to the ending of its life.
"I'm content with saving the time and energy that that baby would take up to help the humans that are already walking and talking on this planet now."
So you know how much energy it takes to take care of a child then? And even more so, how dare you tell someone that their unborn babies life is worth less than someone elses life. That is by far the most arrogant thing I have seen you say, EVER! I'll have you know that babies do not take up that much in recourses. From a families perspective. But if you are talking about an over all perspective, life, globally, if you are so concerned with the "energy crisis" of today that you are willing to not allow a human to experience the joy of life for fear of it wasting time and energy, then maybe you should go vote for the death penalty. Because even though there are a lot of people that are alive and deserve life, there are a lot of people that dont. They take up energy. I bet that thought never crossed your mind. No, you're just looking for somethign to say so you sound right instead of ACTUALLY THINKING about the situation. You could have come up with so many good reasons for abortion to be alud if you had thought for three seconds, but instead you just felt like masturbating at the mouth.
"Yes, that fetus should be allowed to be aborted if the mother wishes it."
I have tried for the past 15 minutes to find a video that tells of a particular kind of abortion that the womens rights activists are trying to get legalized. What happens, is when the baby is litterally out of the mother half way, they stab it in the head with a needle and kill it... But hey, its the mothers choice right?
"It is not independent of the mother and therefore is a part of that mother."
So essentially what youre saying is that people have the right to do what they want with there bodies right? I know thats what youre saying because thats what that means. If you disagree with that, then you are not seeking the truth and I will never speak to you again. So, you believe that people have the right to do what they want with their own bodies. But wait a second! Suicide attempts are illegal!! And thats why drugs are illegal. Same with driving to fast and having poor electric outlets...
"I think it's very arrogant to tell someone else what they can and can't do with their body. Scratch that, it's totalitarian."
Care to re-phrase now?