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Abortion - Page 3

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 37yrs • F •
A CTL of 1 means that Catnip48 is a contributing member of Captain Cynic.
Some people argued that abortion should be legal because some girls are going to get abortions and back alley abortion are deadly. Well... Smoking is among one of the biggest killers and it is legal. More addictive drugs are illegal but don't get used as much as tobacco so therefore kill less people. Making abortion illegal will make less abortions all together therefore more people will realize that adoption is a far better choice for the baby. I think once abortion is illegal people will realize that they were wrong about abortion. Legalizing abortion once illegal because of back alley is like saying legalize heroine because people are going to use it.

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 35yrs • M •
A CTL of 1 means that St. Jimmy is a contributing member of Captain Cynic.
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Making abortion illegal will make less abortions all together therefore more people will realize that adoption is a far better choice for the baby.


Abortion used to be illegal, and people would frequently die from back alley aboritons. alchohol used to be illegal and people would often die from drinking bad alchohol.

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Smoking is among one of the biggest killers and it is legal

Smoking doesn't kill nearly as much as alchohol. In fact traffic accidents claim far more than tobacco.

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I think once abortion is illegal people will realize that they were wrong about abortion.

Abortion used to be illegal, and people didn't see things your way then.

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Legalizing abortion once illegal because of back alley is like saying legalize heroine because people are going to use it.

Better to regulate it so that there will be fewer deaths, than to make it illegal because some people disagree with it.

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"He who does not question is lost."
 58yrs • M •
A CTL of 1 means that RaTyphon is a contributing member of Captain Cynic.
Heroine should be legalized, as should all drugs......therefor massiviely reducing the crime associated with smuggling them in, selling them, and stealing them as well as stealing to support the habits of getting them. Also it would reduce the price for those who use them, and...................

WE COULD PAY OFF THE FRIGGIN NATIONAL DEBT with the money we raised by taxing the sale and import of them. Hell, we could purchase South America with the money we would make as a bonus after the debt was paid off (in the first year).

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""I do not wish my pockets to be searched.""
 39yrs • M •
A CTL of 1 means that etherealmeekle is a contributing member of Captain Cynic.
Why not legalize everything and eradicate the crime rate completely?

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Abortion used to be illegal, and people would frequently die from back alley aboritons. alchohol used to be illegal and people would often die from drinking bad alchohol.


So because people break the law we should just get rid of it? If people were smart enough to adhere to the laws then they would die from breaking them.

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"Speak out, even if what you have to say is unpopular"
 37yrs • F •
A CTL of 1 means that Catnip48 is a contributing member of Captain Cynic.
I believe that it is superstitious to say that life doesn't begin until birth. This is as superstitious as the sun revolving around the earth. The soul is in the fetus at some point. It moves and reacts far before birth. I think most people will agree with me on this one.

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 39yrs • F •
lovingmother is new to Captain Cynic and has less than 15 posts. New members have certain restrictions and must fill in CAPTCHAs to use various parts of the site.
http://i4.tinypic.com/4p2e42c.jpg



this is wrongi have two babies and i could never do this to my babies.

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"giving birth is a gift"
 52yrs • M •
A CTL of 1 means that Adam Seth God is a contributing member of Captain Cynic.
One cannot ascertain whether it is Jesus or Hitler that we may be destroying....

Except in the case of cloned embryo....

C L O N E S

One could make an argument that a Hitler Clone is a genius (though evil)... and worthy of study or redirection towards Nobeler aspirations....

Or if unable to guide such a genius with such evil potential... one could claim in the interests of future generations... we should clone him and put him in a limited environment... study and observe all his expressions of evil until we master every form he was capable of in order to safegaurd future generations from the potential in the genocode....

R A P E

The main concern with this aspect of your topic is the damage to the psyche and body of the woman, the trauma.

Can all women sustain the trauma of rape and mother their child...?

Can a woman's husband stomache being the surrogate father of the absolute violation of her last vestige of virginity, the choice of who she opens herself to?

Are these religous questions or MOREOVER human questions?

In society's like Greece, marrige was nearly transparent in the light of different goddess worship...

In a society like China or Japan or the Arab world and others, conqubines were the standard, (and are in some places today.)

C O N C L U S I O N

Your question is more seemingly concerned with our own societal concept of woman hood and individuality itself...

Does the society one exist in dennote a certain amount of possesioin one over the other or is there true freedom of CHOICE?

Not over just life and death, and personal body, but of relationships... and forms of relationships...

How much is societal choice in relations being manipulated to control population not free the people to make their own best choices (that is outside of causing harm)

A loud mouth man may be psychologically damaging to an American woman and not so to a Japanese or Chinese Spanish, Jamaican or Arabian one...

Is our model for society the best?

Answering these inquiries may actually de-focus your paper to make it more universal.. to the cause of women everywhere...

We are a global community after all this time....

Hope it helps.

Peace

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"\\\"The Empty Vessel Makes The Most Noise\\\" - Shakespear"
 35yrs • M
A CTL of 1 means that awakendwraith is a contributing member of Captain Cynic.
I just had an abortion and I feel AWESOME!

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"Why cry for those that often cry? Instead, help them smile, and smile for those that smile."
 38yrs • M •
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It really comes down to bioethics. and wat form of ethic u apply. If u apply a common good ethic it seems abortion is fully supported. Whislt if u apply a justice and sanctity of life approach its percieved as a crime. depends on the stance. i could easily agree with all sides.

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"An eye for an eye only ends up making the whole wordl blind - Ghandi"
 34yrs • F •
A CTL of 1 means that spiderz is a contributing member of Captain Cynic.
If people cannot accept the circumstances of having sex, then dont have it untill you are ready. that is the problem really, too much sex. hey you can take my point and squeeze it and call me backwards, but if everyone wasnt having sex like they were ready then maybe there wouldnbt be such a damn need for killing babies. , that our life styles and our socialisation has led to more sexual freedom, which has led to more preganancies in unconvienient circumstances which may have led to more abortions.
. but its just an idea. mayb im right , maybe im wrong, perhaps someone can correct me. i mean if fourteen year old girls werent having sex....why hav sex at fourteen., and if you think you are old enough then you are old enough for a child. if you want to educate yourself and have a carear then listen to the law.

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"There is a thin line between bravery and stupidity"
 51yrs • F •
A CTL of 1 means that Sorceress is a contributing member of Captain Cynic.
My opinion is if you willingly have sex you must willingly accept you may become pregnant. If you do not willingly have sex, ie it is forced upon you, an obortion (early on) is absolutely the moral thing to do, but early on.

All life is precious, a child doesn't choose to be conceived, but once that life is started it should be free to live its life to the full.

http://www.captaincynic.com/thread/75915/in-response-to-abortion-thread.
htm#75915

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""Each child holds the world in an open hand to mould it into any shape they choose.""
 51yrs • F •
A CTL of 1 means that Sorceress is a contributing member of Captain Cynic.
Should someone have an abortion because they have been in an abusive relationship, will suffer financial hardship and live as a single mother? Thankfully the woman in this video chose not to.
This video appears to have been removed



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""Each child holds the world in an open hand to mould it into any shape they choose.""
 35yrs • F •
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My opinion is if you willingly have sex you must willingly accept you may become pregnant


That is music to my ears.
Around where I live, not many people at all have the same viewpoint, especially the teenagers that I know. It makes me extremely sad to know that people do have sex with such disregard for the well-being of another life. I don't understand females who let themselves do this, because in my view it goes against our very nature to protect and nourish life.

All some people care about is gratifying themselves. And you have no idea how much that disgusts me.

In my ideal world abortion would be illegal, however if I want to be realistic about it, abortion does need to be legal because there will always be those will not hold themselves responsible for lives they may concieve.

There is a limit to it, however. I do not think you should be allowed to have multipile abortions and you should definitley not be allowed to have one after a certain time period. It should be the very last choice at the end of much counselling.


Teachers need to teach the importance of abstinance and the importance of the possibility of life in regards to sex. When I was in high school, abstinance was a word with a definition on the whiteboard and teachers threw out condoms like it was a ticker-tape parade.

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"We are all brothers under the skin - and I, for one, would be willing to skin humanity to prove it"
 64yrs • M •
A CTL of 1 means that okcitykid is a contributing member of Captain Cynic.
Every women I have ever known who has had an abortion felt guilty about it. Not maybe because it was wrong, but because it is natural for a woman to want to be a mother, so such things go against their own nature.

We all of us do things that might make us feel guilty, should we be punished by laws every time we feel guilty by something?

Most religion's teach that the spirit does not enter in the womb, but after the birth.

I believe abortion should be prevented and not encouraged and only in the case of rape or safety of the mother¡¯s health should the state pay for an abortion, such is the law in the state I live in and I believe this is fair.

We can ponder and come up with all kinds of stories as to why a women might get an abortion. I'll give you one.

A 17 year old girl is abused by her parents and thinks that she is worthless and no good. A boy comes along and says I love you, you are beautiful and smart, for you, I will give you the moon and the stars. She who has been insulted all her life so now she feels important, special, etc. He promises to always love her and she will do anything for him. So he says please, lets make love, and she says ok, but what if I get pregnant, I will be there for you baby, I will take care of you. So they make love and he splits and she's pregnant.

Now what? If the parents find out, she will be in real trouble. If the parents take care of this child, they will abuse it like they did her.

What do you think she will do? Should she go to jail if she does. She may have just saved another child from abuse.

You might believe that abortion is wrong, but is it right for this girl who has been abused her whole life, and now, tricked and lied to and left holding the bag should also be punished further?

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"A fool says I know and a wise man says I wonder."
 35yrs • F •
Saber is new to Captain Cynic and has less than 15 posts. New members have certain restrictions and must fill in CAPTCHAs to use various parts of the site.
You can't exactly justify abortion and call it the right thing to do, but there are always exceptions to everything.

If it were true that spirit only entered after birth, it still would not make abortion any less inhumane. A life is a life. We do not know that tree's or flowers have spirits, yet we should protect them and help them grow and live and be fruitful despite this.

Even when someone gets raped or taken advantage of emotionally, I still think abortion should still definitely be a last decision. Of course, cases like that are the only ones I would deem 'worthy' of making such a decision, but even then, the idea still does not sit well with me and I would not exactly believe that they are making the right decision, though nor would I tell them it is wrong.

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"We are all brothers under the skin - and I, for one, would be willing to skin humanity to prove it"
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