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1347 Posts / 42M

23yrs

etherealmeekle

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No, but is it right to force the parents to watch their child suffer?

So should people stop having children all together because their children will suffer? We don't we all just commit suicide and put an end to suffering?

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210 Posts / 41M

33yrs

PeteSmith

I think we need to get to the root of the issue. It is no good attacking the branches.

Is it ok to kill a human being ever?

If it is then killing an unborn child (abortion) is fine.

If it is not ok then why should anybody have a right to terminate a life (before birth or after).

What then constitutes life?

""What we do in life echoes in eternity" Maximus"

350 Posts / 44M

22yrs

St. Jimmy

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What then constitutes life?

And herein lies the problem. Does Human life begin at conception? or does it begin when the fetus has actual sign of life such as a heartbeat or brain?

"He who does not question is lost."

210 Posts / 41M

33yrs

PeteSmith

Some Interesting facts about babies in the womb:

DNA : Conception
Hair Colour : Conception
Sex of the baby : Conception
Heart Beat: 28 Days
Brain Activity : 6-8 weeks - This is seen as a sign of life exept in abortion!!!
Can open eyes : 8 weeks
Finger Nails : 8 Weeks
Has own finger prints: 9 weeks
Feels Pain 12 weeks
Recognises sound : 12 weeks
Sneeze: 12 weeks

Makes one think!

""What we do in life echoes in eternity" Maximus"

1347 Posts / 42M

23yrs

etherealmeekle

The real issue here is responsibility. If people don't want to have a baby then why aren't they using proper protection or simply not having sex in the first place? Why don't people think about the consequences of their actions?

"Speak out, even if what you have to say is unpopular"

37 Posts / 40M

21yrs

Catnip48

When people ask the question, "When does life begin?" They are really asking, "When does the soul begin?" The soul is the foundation of all religion. So who do you think is being more religious pro-life or pro-choice?

350 Posts / 44M

22yrs

St. Jimmy

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The soul is the foundation of all religion. So who do you think is being more religious pro-life

It would seem that pro-life is the more religously influenced opinion.

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If people don't want to have a baby then why aren't they using proper protection or simply not having sex in the first place? Why don't people think about the consequences of their actions?

So what you're saying is that if someone gets raped, it's their own fault, and no-one else's.
How horrible.

"He who does not question is lost."

1347 Posts / 42M

23yrs

etherealmeekle

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So what you're saying is that if someone gets raped, it's their own fault, and no-one else's.

No you said that. But rape hardly factors into the abortion rate seeing as it accounts for only 1%. And of rape victims only about 2.5% actually get pregnant. I am talking about the other 99% of people who screw around and then suddenly want to shun all responsibility. Obviously one cannot plan on being raped (fetishes aside) so in one instance there is an excuse for an unplanned child, but one does not have to abort it. Think about all the people who for health reasons cannot have children, why not let one of them adopt the child? Turn a bad situation into something good.

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37 Posts / 40M

21yrs

Catnip48

The fetus is scientifically human and life, but people are trying to determine if it is a human being. How do we determine through science that a human is a human being? The answer: You can't! So why do people find it their right to judge weither or not the fetus is a human being? People must accept that scientifically abortion is murder. People can't say it isn't then they are placing judgment based on their belief. The real question is " Is killing the fetus worth it?"

1347 Posts / 42M

23yrs

etherealmeekle

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" Is killing the fetus worth it?"

What is a child now a matter of conveniece?

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350 Posts / 44M

22yrs

St. Jimmy

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But rape hardly factors into the abortion rate seeing as it accounts for only 1%.

so we should force these people to have childeren that were forced upon them? making abortion illegal is just one more way of FORCING everyone to conform to your religious beleifs. Not everyone has to or should join your religion. if someone wants to have an abortion, fine. if they don't, fine. but the law shouldn't be used as a tool to promote a religious beleif.

"He who does not question is lost."

1347 Posts / 42M

23yrs

etherealmeekle

So we should abolish all laws that in some way are connected with religion? Legalised murder, theft, assault. Yes that is a good plan we wouldn't want people to be forced to behave a certain way.

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1347 Posts / 42M

23yrs

etherealmeekle

The problem is that bad things happen to people. But just because they do doesn't mean we need to make things worse. I know that a lot of women (even women involved with abusive boyfriends) had a very difficult time emotional dealing with an abortion. Mental anguish from rape is bad but what about living life with the constant reminder of a child that you killed? If a woman becomes pregnant as a result of rape is it her right to murder a child who had no say in the event? If anything why not shoot the rapist?

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350 Posts / 44M

22yrs

St. Jimmy

Well, if someone thinks abortion is murder they're not very likely to get one don't you think? The problem here is that you over-generalize. If someone is raped, and they think that abortion is murder, then they probably won't have an abortion. Making abortion legal doesn't mean that everyone HAS to have one. you can decide not to. Tobacco is legal, but not everyone smokes.

"He who does not question is lost."

1347 Posts / 42M

23yrs

etherealmeekle

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Well, if someone thinks abortion is murder they're not very likely to get one don't you think?

And yet we try to insist that abortion is not murder to justify the act.

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Tobacco is legal, but not everyone smokes

Too many people do and it effects those who don't.

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