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Why Condone Fruitless Deviant Behavior?

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2820 Posts / 91M
     :   28yrs   :  
Decius

As stated, the last few posts were in reference to this question:

"If homosexuality IS a choice, should it be systematically eliminated from humanity?"


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26 Posts / 41M
     :   36yrs   :  
Methuzula

If homosexuality is a choice, (not based on a genetic predisposition towards homosexuality), it makes several blaring declarations about the individual's perspective towards traditional membership in mainstream society.

Society: an enduring and cooperating social group whose members have developed organized patterns of relationships through interaction with one another or a broad grouping of people having common traditions, institutions, and collective activities and interests.

Choosing to be homosexual removes one's responsiblity to contribute to society as it is structured. It's actually a choice to promote another type of society, its activities and interests

It's easiest to key in on the fact that homosexuality lacks the ability to naturally grow its ranks through procreation. But this is only one apparent contradiction the homosexual social grouping represents.

Someone might argue that homosexual society increases its ranks by being a genetic occurrence naturally found in human beings.

This does not negate the fact that the homosexual life represents an exchange of one social contract for another.

This makes the activity fruitless on many levels because one social order doesn't generally sustain or contribute to the endurance of another.

So from the perspective of mainstream society homosexuality is non-productive because it doen't re-produce that very society.

Expressing or teaching a conception of right behavior for a member of homosexual society is actually counterproductive for the other society.

To continue to say homosexuals contribute to the rearing of children is not to say that they are not deviant. Unless they are contradicting themselves, the homosexual is going to promote their society and corresponding philosophy.

I wonder if the tables were turned and heterosexuals were the minority or deviants from social order if we would ignore the differences and what they symbolize and represent.

Homosexuality is not a completely non-productive lifestyle. I just believe that ultimately there will always be the fact that it is activity that does not produce what society needs to continue.

In the context of heterosexual society homosexuality is not reasonable or "sane".


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3953 Posts / 48M
     :   30yrs   :  
Ironwood

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Society: an enduring and cooperating social group whose members have developed organized patterns of relationships


Notice the plural of patterns and relationships.

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Choosing to be homosexual removes one's responsiblity to contribute to society as it is structured.


If you assume homosexuality to not be a natural part of structured society, or a natural pattern of relationship, and since homosexuality has existed for as long as it has, your assertion is obviously an incorrect assumption.

Not to mention that homosexuals contribute to society as structered making the statement blatantly innaccurate.

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It's easiest to key in on the fact that homosexuality lacks the ability to naturally grow its ranks through procreation.


Homosexuals naturally procreate, obviously not physically with their same sex partners.

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This does not negate the fact that the homosexual life represents an exchange of one social contract for another.


Now society is under contract of sexual behavior, or are you trying to promote an ideal that exists within some beliefs within, what is supposed to be, our free, open, inclusive, and accepting society that understands we are free to live non harmful productive lives how we like?

Your logic holds no water in a society of mixed cultures, races, idealogies, religions etc.

There is no social contract being violated by homosexuality, the only social contract being violated in relation to homosexuality is other's lack of acceptance in our society of open acceptance, or at least tolerance.

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So from the perspective of mainstream society homosexuality is non-productive because it doen't re-produce that very society.


Mainstream society inludes homosexuality, your biased point of view my not allow you to see this reality, but it is true, as it has been for quite some time as homosexuals have existed and participated even in every level of society. Do not hastily put words in other's mouths.

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Expressing or teaching a conception of right behavior for a member of homosexual society is actually counterproductive for the other society.


Here is an overgeneralization that leaves on to ask what is being taught. Bigotry over acceptance? Segregation over inclusion? Fear and hate over love and acceptance?

From what I understand and have been taught, these are the wrong teachings of societies when referring to non harmful evidently natural behaviors and the HUMAN BEINGS who exhibit them.

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Homosexuality is not a completely non-productive lifestyle. I just believe that ultimately there will always be the fact that it is activity that does not produce what society needs to continue.


What does it not produce that society needs to continue?

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In the context of heterosexual society homosexuality is not reasonable or "sane".


This is yet another flaw in your thinking, there is no such thing as an exclusive heterosexual society. They exist within sexual societies, which include many forms of sexuality, even heterosexuality is a generalization that is made of many categories.

Within hetero there is monogomy, multiple spouses male or female, partner exhange or Swingers, group sex, even beastiality can be classified as hetero as long as the animal is of opposite gender.

Many accepted and abhored within this "society" that you feel exists independant of the rest.

You are simply remarking on the teachings of select groups of people who promote exclusiveness and negativity towards those outside of their beliefs. Which I submit to be counterproductive to society in general, as segragation and negative unfounded "beliefs" are what destroy societies.

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In the context of heterosexual society homosexuality is not reasonable or "sane".


So to reiterate, this view against homosexuality in the context of society in general is not reasonable or "sane". It is indeed counterproductive, negative, unfounded, and all the things people worry about homosexuality being or creating.

One day perhaps, people will learn the lesson being repeated over and over again, we are all human, we are all different yet the same, and what you are is not necessarily what others are or should be.


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113 Posts / 40M
     :   31yrs   :  
xanadoool

Seeing as how the human race is overpopulating, and destroying our beautiful home, don't you think it better to have a society filled with people who DON'T have children?

I mean, we wage war with each other, generally shit on the neighbours we have in our own countries and show little to no concern over the fact that we are damaging the environment beyond repair.

Yet you would say that the act of having bountiful amounts of unprotected sex without a single chance of pregnancy is a BAD THING?!!


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2820 Posts / 91M
     :   28yrs   :  
Decius

Meth: The fallacy in your argument is you seem to believe the pro-creation by everyone is necessary for the survival of humans as a species, whereas it can be argued that having homosexuals limits our growth (amongst other influences) which may also be a requirement for our survival, from a social standpoint.

The basic point is that deviancy from the norm in any form does not make the activity fruitless... it may be an entirely necessary deviation for the survival of the species.

Certain deviants not only don't procreate, but actually destroy life... I'd say such criminals are STILL a necessary part of society.


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289 Posts / 43M
     :   20yrs   :  
ekimup

If it is a deviation which is necessary for existence--than it is not really a "deviation". Given you know not what purpose homosexuality does serve or contributes...you cant assume "because it exists" it is necessary or alright..


But because it has proven not to be an equal preference of any sexual act. Aside from tall, short, skinny, fat..big breastss-any number of preferences a hetero/or homo..would choose. This preference is for one of the same sex.

Homos cannot argue heterosexuality as fruitless.-but heteros can argue homosexuality as so.

Because we dont know its purpose.


You may argue that it has purpose-because we have no proof that it does or doesnt.

but it is a preference.-which means it is not necessary for the survival of anyone..including themselves.



reply to..that girls post..--"Many of the great artists and scholars of history were homosexual, is that really a mental impurity if they still contributed greatly to the progress of mankind?"

sexual preference is ..a sexual preference. W/e contributions this man has made to humanity--has nothing to do with his sexual preference. Although you may assume that this preference has allowed him more insight and ability in developing helpful and progressive..w/e's. The ability also, is proven to exist in heterosexuals and homosexuals..


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3953 Posts / 48M
     :   30yrs   :  
Ironwood

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Given you know not what purpose homosexuality does serve or contributes...you cant assume "because it exists" it is necessary or alright..



No different than the human race itself, and nor can you assume its not alright, you have no logical basis for your continually negative assertions. Nor do you seem to realize your classification of thinking (ignorant bigotry). It wouldn't be so if you simply admitted lack of understanding, or even just expressed dissagreement, but you desire eradication, you speak of assured assumptions of mental dysfunction, fruitlessness, dangerous.

I don't see what warrants such drastic emotionally driven opinion.

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Homos cannot argue heterosexuality as fruitless.-but heteros can argue homosexuality as so.

Because we dont know its purpose.



Again, "No different than the human race itself".

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but it is a preference.-which means it is not necessary for the survival of anyone..including themselves.



Freakishly repetative assumptions, WE DON'T KNOW WHY, IT MAY NOT BE PREFERRENCE, and if it were, they are law abiding citizens with protected rights that THEY are allowed to choose, regardless of irrelevant theories for or against them.

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sexual preference is ..a sexual preference.


refer to above.

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W/e contributions this man has made to humanity--has nothing to do with his sexual preference. Although you may assume that this preference has allowed him more insight and ability in developing helpful and progressive..w/e's. The ability also, is proven to exist in heterosexuals and homosexuals..


What the hell are you talking about and what is your point, so now they are both productive and you still see them as detremental, and they can reproduce, so what is your problem with them now, and be specific because right now I don't understand because you are not basing anything on rational proven fact, just theoretical negativity.


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2820 Posts / 91M
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Decius

It is not a sexual preference. People are born that way, animals are born that way.

It being a sexual preference is a theoretical scenario.

Do you comprehend that it is not a sexual preference? By definition if it has existed in humanity since record-keeping has existed, it is valid to argue that it provides a necessary function for humans to exist.

And I say that although i do not know FOR SURE which one it is, if you want a viable option, lets just say popluation control.


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27 Posts / 40M
     :   30yrs   :  
kellyt23341

If you dont have to lay in bed with them why the hell do you care?? Spend time talking about somthing that will actually help the world--not stir up more drama


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349 Posts / 41M
     :   22yrs   :  
St. Jimmy

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If homosexuality is a choice, (not based on a genetic predisposition towards homosexuality)


If homosexuality is a choice, then it must be a choice that anyone is capable of making, so..

YOU MAKE IT!

yes, i dare you to make it. Try and sit down for just ten minutes and decide to be attracted to the same sex.

Furthermore, you shouldn't discriminate against or criticise homosexuality for any reason. It is wrong to discriminate against someone becasue they have a different skin color right? Then it should also be wrong to discriminate against someone based on their sexual preference.


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819 Posts / 57M
     :   19yrs   :  
Angel Of Death

The thing is, no one has any right to say if it's right or wrong, the only confirmed thing is that it is unnatural, which is niether degrading nor uplifting. Even if this humble assumption is disregarded, u need 2 take out that screw outta ur head


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3953 Posts / 48M
     :   30yrs   :  
Ironwood

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the only confirmed thing is that it is unnatural


Stimulation of the genitals by any physical contact from any object is not unnatural, it is what they are designed to do.

There is no written clarification that distinguishes any sexual act as unnatural, merely socially unnacceptable.

There is quite a difference. Just for clarification.


"The Greatest Enemy of Knowledge is Not Ignorance, It is the ILLUSION of Knowledge. Stephen Hawking"

819 Posts / 57M
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Angel Of Death

Every single organ of the human body has a purpose. The purpose of a penis is therfore that it can enter a vagina of a women, to produce children. If the man decides to put his Johnson inside her aas or mouth, that is unnatural, that is not what the organs were desighned to do.


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819 Posts / 57M
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Angel Of Death

my tongue was desighned to taste, be it an apple or an ass, now if I decide that I wan't to play badmionton with it-that defeats the purpose a little bit, it is unnatural.


"I'll heal ur woundz I'll set u free, I m jesus christ on xtacy"

3953 Posts / 48M
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Ironwood

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that is unnatural, that is not what the organs were desighned to do.


That is one purpose of one aspect of its design. You are right to say that is a purpose of it, but if you say that purpose is exclusive and definitive, you would be mistaken.

It also serves as waste disposal does it not? Sex acts and desires are also not purely existing for the purpose of procreation, nor are they exclusive to gender boundaries, which is further supported by the fact that sex acts don't even require interaction with others oustide of one's self.

Which none is unnatural or against purpose.

I argue that there is nothing a human can do that is unnatural, for we are natural and of the natural order, as for your specifics I think I adequately pointed out that both sex and sex organs have more than one purpose behind their designs, at least allowing for the possibility of perfectly natural and purposeful acts and behaviors oustide of what some are defining and calling exclusively natural acts, behaviors, and purposes.


"The Greatest Enemy of Knowledge is Not Ignorance, It is the ILLUSION of Knowledge. Stephen Hawking"

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