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It's not a matter of opinion, it's a fact.
Scientific studies are not proven facts, they can never include all factors.
This specifically, as I stated before does not factor in prejudice and oppression against the people.
Poor Americans and especially Blacks have been ostrisized unfairly for decades and indeed centuries with just such innacurate garbage. People shunned from society are forced to move outside of it, that can include the law (though that gives no leeway on harmful acts).
Crime is associated with gays, in that you are more likely to be harassed, beaten, and possibly killed by people who are for some reason literally outraged by the very existance of gays.
(I was attacked on the street walking with a childhood friend by a group of 30+ year old adults, 4 men 1 crazy chick because they simply thought we were gay, I know because they asked. I was almost killed.)
And did you realize the rediculousness of some of the data, Gays less likely to get married, geez, you think? They are told by courts they aren't allowed, go figure.
Weak human bonds are created by people treating others like shit, like heteros treat gays, where is that factored in?
Statistics like these would also suggest that because the majority or drug crime related prisoners are black, that blacks commit the most drug related crimes, when whites do.
And take these...
"homosexuals were about twice as likely to have been arrested for a non-sexual crime and about 8 times more apt to have been arrested for a sexual crime;
– homosexuals were about twice as apt to have been convicted of a sexual crime and about twice as likely to have been jailed for a crime; "
With something like this, in other cases, specifically the aforementioned black treatment, they would mean exactly what they say, but missing one key point. Gays were more likely arrested but perhaps equally, less, or more likely to commit such a crime. This could be specifically showing a bias against arresting and convicting gays rather than a distinction of bad behavior, as was proven in the past direct relation to prejudice.
I dismissed nothing, but I will challenge it.
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Gays exist because, clearly, people can choose..
This is an assumption. Homosexuality's origin is unknown, including as choice or inherent, which is paramount to the discussion.
Captalism in our society doesn't promote what you guys are concerned about gays destroying, our homes are also being broken because there has been a trend of both parents needing full time jobs to provide a place to live, let alone a structured home. Which there are statistics for too.
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uh huh.. but homo(sex) requires hetero(sex) for offspring.
i am also curious as to how, two members of a homosexual relationship..pass eachothers genes on to another "homosexual" offspring..
homosexual offspring is an oxymoron.
It doesn't matter if it requires hetero sex if they are willing to do it, so what is your point
Genetic offspring is irrelevant to procreation and survival. Maybe they just do their partners siblings, that would keep the family genes.
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..who said anything about that?
It was in response to your point of hetero parents offering the natural choice of homosexuality, and whatever you were implying by stating such. This was an avenue I had to take the liberty of going on in sheer speculation to what your point was.
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i have not made one false accusation as far as this "health standard.."
You said the lifestyle was inherently unhealty, I see no unchallenged information to suggest such except for natural reactions to social persecution.
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the point sir-i was trying to get across..was that homosexuality is infact a fruitless act.
No more than masturbation or non procreative sex, do me a favor and stop calling it fruitless, if we are going to be technical, I need to know what you mean. What do you mean now by fruitless "?(fruitful meaning a result of any sexual intentions.)" What result would you be referring to?
Sex has more than one purpose, I don't even claim to know exactly what that is, besides some of the obvious mentioned, to promote the desire of the act to procreate etc. But the relationship aspect you so bluntly dismiss is one of the purposes I would venture to guess.
Therefore the simple act of physical intimacy holds "fruitful" worth.
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Homosexuality serves no real purpose.
To someone who is not a homosexual, are you saying that sex holds no purpose besides procreation? You would have to in order to make you statement make any sense.
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But homosexual acts.. prevent health.
Where do you get such ideas? This did not come with your basic internal notion that "it aint right".
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(dont aleviate heterosex's contributions because you dont know what brought us here in the first place.)
I'm not, my point is we don't know why any of us are here or what changes have to occur to get where we are going, so we shouldn't act like someone different is diseased, it may even be the necessary next step for all we know.
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..i mean christ-even mary had a womb.
Does this mean that you believe claims of mary as well, obviously enough so to make claims of your own, what do you know of this Mary persons whom?
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masturbation isnt sex..
It is a sex act just as hand jobs and blow jobs and anal sex are. It is the sexual stimulation of the genitals, the same sex genitals.
Do you enjoy a nice penis in your hand? Would you put it in your mouth if you could (or can), would this make you gay, deviant or fruitless?
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please..you cannot say "what if". If the majority were homosexual...there would be no majority.
Only if you once again innacurately pressume homosexuals are not capable of reproduction, which is assinine.
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As with blacks. That is a physical characteristic which one was born with. They did not choose to be so.
Which goes to your assumed point about gays. We don't know why or how homosexuality exists.
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Skin color is irrelevant.-so long as it doesnt effect the skins ability to protect the being.
Hmmm, thats funny, there are a lot of prejudiced people, especially those who practive eugenics, would disagree.
I can tell you one thing for certain, prejudice is not irrelevant, and its affects great.
[/quote]Sexual preference has nothing to do with love.
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No kidding, nor the ability to procreate and or be "fruitful".
Is it wrong or unhealty to not want to have children of your own, is it a fruitless existance?
"The Greatest Enemy of Knowledge is Not Ignorance, It is the ILLUSION of Knowledge. Stephen Hawking"
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-so dont assume because they are gay..is why they exist. Its because they exist..is why they are gay.(hetero sex brother.) 
