Why Condone Fruitless Deviant Behavior?

You have a fallacy in your statement:

"Beneficial-in that heterosexuality allows reproduction.

It benefits both parties-regardless of sexual preference. You cannot go around this truth--or claim it not to be true. Because it is.. "

Not all heterosexuals can reproduce, and not all heterosexuals choose to reproduce. Hence, in accordance to the altered question:

"What benefits do homosexuals provide heterosexuals that can and choose to reproduce?"

The answer is:

"Exactly the same benefits heterosexuals that cannot or choose not to reproduce do."

Hence, the discussion then becomes:

"Why condone fruitless behaviour?", fruitless behaviour being sexual relations without the ability or desire to reproduce, which has little to do with homosexuals.

"Hating everyone protects me from elitism."

Makes sense to me. I've said it twenty times now too.

He's given two definitions of beneficial, homosexuals meet them both, what else can be said.

"The Greatest Enemy of Knowledge is Not Ignorance, It is the ILLUSION of Knowledge. Stephen Hawking"

I would also like to extend your definition of "fruitless behaviour" to include:

Oral sex
Anal sex
Masturbation
Joint masturbation
Sex using condoms
Sex using the pill
Sex using any birth control method
The "pull out" before ejaculation
Abstinence

... most of which I'm certain many heterosexual as well as homosexual people partake in.

"Hating everyone protects me from elitism."

so then, why condone all these activities? thats easy, sexual activity of any kind is an important role in the way humans function. the ability to choose how active or inactive is also something that can help define who we are as individuals.

reproduction is an important part of society, but i think it is somewhat seperate from sexual activity. sex (homo or hetero) is useful in that it helps release chemicals in the body that help us with brain fuction as well as making us feel good. and as humans we strive to be intelligent and to feel good. if you need somebody with the same sex or somebody of a different sex to get that release then hey, go for it.

with the technology we have now, everyone could be homosexual and it wouldnt much matter aside from some shifts with gender roles which may or may not pose problems.

"I am Akba-Atatdia"

Not all heterosexuals can reproduce, and not all heterosexuals choose to reproduce. Hence, in accordance to the altered question:
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..i believe i stated heterosexuality.


so this altering of questions..is irrelevant. Hence, you should thoroughly investigate my point-and attempt to find "true flaw" in the fact. k thanx.



its because heterosexuals can argue homosexuality to be fruitless.-homosexuals cannot argue heterosexuality to be fruitless.

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..i believe i stated heterosexuality.

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"The Greatest Enemy of Knowledge is Not Ignorance, It is the ILLUSION of Knowledge. Stephen Hawking"

so people who cant have children for some reason.......should they just never have sex because they cant produce an offspring??????

that whole....its wrong because it doesnt produce children theory is pretty weak guys.........there are many sex acts that wont produce children among heteros.......are all those wrong too

havent you ever had protected sex
or given or recievd oral??????

come on.......find a better argument than the whole reproduction thing

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Lets get back to a realistic point in this discussion now, since I do believe we all agree that it is incorrect to state that any sexual act that does not result in offspring is wrong.

Here's a question...

If homosexuality IS a choice, should it be systematically eliminated from humanity?

"Hating everyone protects me from elitism."

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If homosexuality IS a choice, should it be systematically eliminated from humanity?

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"The Greatest Enemy of Knowledge is Not Ignorance, It is the ILLUSION of Knowledge. Stephen Hawking"

I would say if it IS a choice, it should be eliminated, because it creates an unnecessary diversity amongst people.

Also, it seems "unnatural" from the standpoint of nature and how our bodies are made.

Finally, we dont know what effect integrating homosexuals into normal environments as families would do (ie, their children and what not)

Theoretically, having a loving mother and father is more balanced than having two fathers.

"Hating everyone protects me from elitism."

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I would say if it IS a choice, it should be eliminated, because it creates an unnecessary diversity amongst people.

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"The Greatest Enemy of Knowledge is Not Ignorance, It is the ILLUSION of Knowledge. Stephen Hawking"

if it is a choice, there is no reason for it to be eliminated unless it is proven that it causes different (negative) effects than hetero sex does.

as usual this ties in to a lot of other discussions. it would seem that having both a mother and a father is more balanced, yet the affects of having two mothers or two fathers may have advantages not yet known.

pretty much what leftwood said.

"I am Akba-Atatdia"

I dissagree.

We're not talking about making it illegal... I am merely looking at it as if it is a mental impurity... similar to pedaphilia or necrophilia. If it is a choice, and it is biologically unnatural, then to me there is no reason for it to exist.

Does that mean we should eliminate any variety of sex that seems biologically unnatural?

no, because such events are generally occasional deviances from biologically sound sexual activity.

But if you are homosexual, then that means you will more often than not engage in "unnatural" sexual activity, which to me would mean that it is a mental impurity.

Specifically because your mind and desires are not following what you are physically equipped to do... this to me makes it an unnatural situation.

...All assuming it is a mental choice.

"Hating everyone protects me from elitism."

maybe im going off on this a bit too far. but it seems from that logic none of us should be doing much of anything aside from eat, sleep, think. the more complex a mind the more likely deviances will occur. humans have the most complex brains and have the most deviances. perhaps at some point certain deviances become traits. like having brown hair, except it involves the brain.

"I am Akba-Atatdia"

Sex...hmm....

You know if homosexuality is proven to be genetic, we're all wrong. Many of the great artists and scholars of history were homosexual, is that really a mental impurity if they still contributed greatly to the progress of mankind?

What if I consider oral sex to be wrong, your body isn't designed to get anything out of that - actually, doing that could lead to serious passing of infections and whatnot because of the nature of genetalia, given that reproductive bodily fluids have a higher acidity than that of saliva in the mouth, that is really biologically backwards. But we do it anyway, well some of us that is, is that wrong?

I don't see homosexuality as being a product of molestation or some sort of abnormal abuse, that's a gross assumption of the entire homosexual population in the world. There are animals that are homosexual, the latest being some special group of goats that commit homosexual acts - were THEY molested too?

The original post is all fruitless if you ask me. I have plent of gay and lesbian friends and I'll tell you they are quite healthy and far from what they're being accused of, this mental illness business. That's a terrible thing to say.

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