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1347 Posts / 42M
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etherealmeekle

Killing a human is not a preferred solution but the only times it is justified is when it is already happened. War and capital punishment are the only acceptable methods of killing humans. But war is often the most awkward one. In the case of war it is not wrong to rise up against an opposing army or when a nation is a serious (and legitimate) threat. But war as with capital punishment must be carefully deliberated before carried out


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1687 Posts / 40M
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awakendwraith

killing out of love is ok, i beliieve,killing in defens of some or your self i also beleive is ok/ or not evil i should say.


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1347 Posts / 42M
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etherealmeekle

Does it cease to be murder if love is the intent? Becuase then Hitler was not a war criminal because his war was fought out of love for his nationality.
When a display of love is an act of hate you must question it's validity.


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1687 Posts / 40M
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awakendwraith

yes, and thats where opinions come in. we are in disagreement therefore there can be no absolute answer/value. htler killed the jewish because he hated them. not because he loved the christians. from now on i'll put this (""" and that means st least thats what i think, because im getting tired of typing that over and over agian.


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1347 Posts / 42M
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etherealmeekle

quote:
htler killed the jewish because he hated them. not because he loved the christians


He hated them because he thought they were ruining his beloved nation. He also then would have killed them to defend the purity of the German race (so love based self defense killing). War Hitler a war criminal?


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1687 Posts / 40M
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awakendwraith

if that is why he did it, then no, he is not a crimanal of war. but that doesn't mean we have to let it go. we dont need to be "right" to justify our actions. the only thing w need is a want to do them. thats justification enough.


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2848 Posts / 94M
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Decius

I don't understand what you are talking about awakend.

Are you saying killing for love is okay? Then if Hitler loved his country and killed for that purpose is it okay? Was he justified?

Would you defend Hitler in a conversation about Nazis? Why not if love is a justifiable reason for killing?


"Hating everyone protects me from elitism."

1687 Posts / 40M
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awakendwraith

yes killing for love is ok. and yes if he killed for that reason he was justified. and as absurd as it sounds, that is exactly what i am doing. he was justified, if thats why he did it. but i dont care if he was justifeod or not, i would have shot him in the face with out thinking twice.('''


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1347 Posts / 42M
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etherealmeekle

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but i dont care if he was justifeod or not, i would have shot him in the face with out thinking twice


What makes you more right than him? If he was a justified killer as you suggest then it would be murder on your part to kill him making him a martyr and you a criminal.


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161 Posts / 39M
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takemeseriously

I don't agree with moral subjectivism or cultural subjectivism, so, instead of exhausting myself with a long argument why, I'm just going to copy my Ethics' teacher's handout on moral relativity. Hooray for community college!

Is Morality Relative?

1. The claim "morality is relative" has two forms: Subjectivism and Cultural Relativism.

2.Subjectivism is the theory that morality is person-relative (like food preferences).

3. Subjectivist compare moral terms (such as "right" and "wrong" ) to other allegedly subjective terms: for example, "interesting," "boring," "delicious," "disgusting," "funny," "attractive."

4. The main argument for Subjectivism: Since (a) people disagree about morality, (b) morality must be relative to each person.

5. This argument fails because interpersonal disagreement about X doesn't prove X is subjective (person-relative): for example, consider interpersonal disagreements in science, history, and mathematics.

6. Subjectivism has the following dubious implications:
*If I approve of A (for example, failing you just for giggles), that makes A right.
*No one's moral code is truer than anyone else's (all are equally true): for example, the moral codes of Hitler and Christ are equally true.
*Changing your moral opinion changes morality (for morality is what you think).
*No one's moral beliefs ever really improve or decline (become more or less correct); they just change.
*No one can be mistaken about morality; everyone is morally infallible. Consider Eva Braun's diary entry for 10 May 1935; she describes Hitler as "the greatest man in Germany and in the world".

7. Cultural Relativism is the theory that morality is culture-relative (like traffic rules, rules of etiquette, and spelling rules). (I use "culture" and "society" interchangeably).

8. The main argument for Cultural Relativism: Since (a) different cultures accept different moral codes, (b) morality must be relative to each culture.

9. This argument fails because inter-cultural disagreement about X doesn't prove X is culture-relative (see analogous point 5).

10. Cultural Relativism has all of the dubious implications:
*No culture's codes is really better than any other's--just different: for example, the Christian code is no better than the Nazi code.
*No culture's code really improves or declines--it just changes: for example, the abolition of slavery wasn't an improvement in the U.S. moral code, just a change.
*Moral truth is discovered just by discovering what your society thinks: for example, if your society thinks gassing mentally retarded children is right, that makes it right.
*Any reformer of a society's moral code is automatically mistaken, because a reformer is someone who denies some part of the society's code, and, for Cultural Relativists, moral truth is determined by society.
*No society can be mistaken about morality; every society is moraly infallible: for example, Nazi Germany in its genocidal practices, Sudan in its practice of female circumcision, Canada in its acceptance of gay marriage, and the U.S. in its acceptance of slavery (in the pasy) and abortion (today).


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1687 Posts / 40M
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awakendwraith

i am just as justifeid as he is, a martyr to myself and everyonr that agrees with me. i dont need right on my side to act. hitler did not have right on his side. he had ambition and thats all i need to be justified. justification does not make you right, it just makes you valid, and i beleive validity is all a person needs for action, and validity is the easiest thing in the world to have. the will to do so is valid enough to shoot him in the head, your will to disagree is valid enough to call your point of view justiied, my will to shoot him in the head is valid enough. why does it matter if i killed a martry if i had a justified 'cause. that cause being that i wanted to stop his genicide.


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1347 Posts / 42M
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etherealmeekle

You have no justified cause. You say that Hitler was justified that makes him subjectively right (right by opinion). To shoot him would simply be cold blooded murder based on the fact that you do not like his plan. To be justified in killing him you would have to put him on trial and determine wether or not his actions deserved death.


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1687 Posts / 40M
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awakendwraith

did he put his people on trial, everyone of them? no. i am justified, and its not cold blod, im doing it for a reason. a damn good one. genocide should always be challenged.


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2848 Posts / 94M
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Decius

Your theories are ridiculous awakend. Ignoring the fact that everyone on the planet has a different definition of love, the concept of killing for love being okay is so subjective and ridiculous that if anyone were to actually follow your mentality they would destroy themselves. Learning how to love is probably one of the most difficult things one can do for their entire lives yet you at 17 think you have experienced enough about life to state that YOU know what love is, and with enough fortitude of confidence to justify taking another person's life?

You have romantic ideas with little to no regard for the actual view of "reality". Many people view jealousy as love and would kill based on that. Yet, you would not support it because it is an opinion that you oppose. But would you defend their right to kill in a court of law?

In essence you are a complete hipochrite unless you are willing to say that you would openly fight for Hitler's right to mass murder jews, even if you hated what he was doing. That is the true essence of moral freedom.


"Hating everyone protects me from elitism."

1687 Posts / 40M
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awakendwraith

THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT I AM SAYING, AND HOW THE HELL DO YOU KNOW ME? have you read anything i said, if i disagree with there opinions i would still say they had all the right to act, and i wouldnt stop them. and i dont feel jealosy. EVER! and why should i care about "another person". what about all the dying children in the middle east you do so much to help. your the hipocrit, wheres your bleeding heart for them? huh? as long as they beleive it is love. and yes, i do hate what he did. and yes i do defend him, and yes, i do have that freedom. even more, i have faith in humanity. enough to think that they would not kill themselves. i am a good person, i help those who need it, i acpect nothing in return. how dare you?


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