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Creation or Evolution?

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210 Posts / 39M
     :   32yrs   :  
PeteSmith

read this
http://www.globalchange.umich.edu/globalchange1/current/lectures/select
ion/selection.html


Natural selection is a random process.
from the above link
"When we incorporate genetics into our story, it becomes more obvious why the generation of new variations is a chance process. Variants do not arise because they are needed. They arise by random processes governed by the laws of genetics."

The random garbage I type can have no meaning because it came from a purely random process that is devoid of meaning.

BTW. The variations people point at within a species and say it is proof of evolution is nonsense. God has made each of us unique from one another. Those variations can never produce new gene information that was not present in the parents. In short a dog will never become a car, a reptile will never become a bird.


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1347 Posts / 39M
     :   23yrs   :  
etherealmeekle

quote:
we have evolved over the past 100 years, we are entering the next stage of human evolution and it is not physical, it is mental...


Indeed humans have evolved and are evolving but we are not becoming anything other than human.

The quotes were interesting because Hitler seemed to use Christianity to justify his belief in evolution. Hitler demonstrated what survival of the fittest looks like in practical terms. He wanted to bring about a new (evolved) race of humans and yet most evolutionists (that I know at least) seem to think he was evil...


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1334 Posts / 41M
     :   22yrs   :  
summit

Petesmith: One thing wrong with your argument Petesmith, is the familiar, and I have to say rather irritating, confusion of natural selection with 'randomness'. To help you with your confusion of evolution:
Mutation is random; natural selection is the very opposite of random. Natural selection is a spontaneous natural order but not random. Natural selection is like a blind watch maker; it cannot see ahead. Natural selection, does not plan for the future. Events in Nature are not really random, but that many kinds of order and complexity emerge naturally and spontaneously from often very disordered and chaotic kinds of conditions. Even the mathematical expression is showed for these ideas in the "chaos" theory.

Now, one might ask, why should anyone wish to avoid anything that would introduce God into a scientific theory; and the answer is that God makes a poor addition to any scientific theory precisely because God explains too much. Being omnipotent, God can do anything. Thus, if we ask, "Why is the sky blue?" we could simply say, "Because God makes it blue." Since this doesn't really explain anything, it must be a strong principle of science to exhaust all other forms of explanation before resorting to something that will simply end inquiry. This must be true about life on earth just as much as about the color of the sky.

Evolution has no long-term goal. Unlike 'Creationism' there is no long-distance target, no final perfection to serve as a criterion for selection, although many people assume the stupid notion that our species is the final goal of evolution. The idea of tiny changes cumulated over many steps is a powerful idea, capable of explaining a huge range of things that would be otherwise inexplicable. Evolution can be more strongly supported by evidence of telling imperfections than by evidence of perfection.

Oh look, its raining DNA outside.


"The summit is just a halfway point"

1271 Posts / 39M
     :   20yrs   :  
Cynic-Al

i will agree with summit that god does make a very poor addition to a scientific theory but for almost the opposite. god doesnt "explain" too much, god is an answer to why, but mostly scientific theory is the how. i believe we are all here by gods will, but i believe that science explains how we were put here. some people may say that robs him of his omnipotence, but i disagree, i challenge any of you to manage to make a universe which will evolve such a diversity of lifeforms. it takes a lot of power to create and maintain the universe. to me it makes sense that god would put systems in place to allow the universe to maintain itself to an extent. god still does miracles, but i think science and religion are two different parts of the whole thing, with neither providing the whole picture, religion is why, science is how.


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2201 Posts / 64M
     :   49yrs   :  
okcitykid

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God makes a poor addition to any scientific theory precisely because God explains too much. Being omnipotent, God can do anything. Thus, if we ask, "Why is the sky blue?" we could simply say, "Because God makes it blue."


So science is trying to figure out how God made the sky blue while religion is just believing that God made the sky blue.

I would say that this makes science a noble cause, as we being the children seek to be as our father and understand the secrets, an evoluton is process.


"A fool says I know and a wise man says I wonder."

1334 Posts / 41M
     :   22yrs   :  
summit

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religion is why, science is how.


Believe what you wish, however you should understand that science does help to explain the 'why', 'when' and 'how'.

quote:
So science is trying to figure out how God made the sky blue while religion is just believing that God made the sky blue


No, evolutionary science is understanding nature itself; evolutionary processes; no connection to how God created all.



"The summit is just a halfway point"

220 Posts / 39M
     :   19yrs   :  
lastresort

just making a note here....

just about everyone older than 20 here is pro god

just about everyone younger than 20 here is pro evolution / anti-god....

the world is changing, the world has already changed


1334 Posts / 41M
     :   22yrs   :  
summit

Good observation lastresort. I too have recognised that trend.


"The summit is just a halfway point"

329 Posts / 52M
     :   25yrs   :  
patape

i disagree unless im one of the minorities on here in that respect.. but i guess I definetly believe in gosgifsglgblibdhffdhjk (words cant describe it) im sick of the word 'god' its played out... 'jesus' people talking specific images into my head.. Dislcosure disrupts the inner "peace" errrr here again cant describe disclosure just desrtupts it so i wont speak...


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1766 Posts / 64M
     :   56yrs   :  
cturtle

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No, evolutionary science is understanding nature itself; evolutionary processes

So natural selection just happened to form species which appear similiar to other species which are poisonous?
Flowers just happen to develpoe scents which attract insects which pollenate the plants?
plants use carbondioxide which just happen to counterbalance animal life use of oxygen?
quote:
just making a note here....
So may be that is representative of the longer life we have lived? We were taught more by life experiences while youth were taught in schools? What you were taught vs what we were taught?


"Terrorist or tyrant, few may come to the Truth that both are poor choice."

210 Posts / 36M
     :   21yrs   :  
Navin

i belive in both.


"To kill man's hope is to kill man"

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