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Why is Prostitution Illegal?

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3969 Posts / 50M
     :   31yrs   :  
Ironwood

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Prostitution is unnecessary so why should the single man need it?


Who says he does, it doesn't matter if he needs it or not, he wants it and since consentual sex is legal prostitution should be as well.

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So a man has the flu and that causes him to have a fever. We cannot blame the fever for causing the flu but we can treat the flue and thus remove the fever. Or should we say that fevers happen anyway so don’t bother treating the flu?



See, here's your problem, whereas you are so clouded by bias, influence, and a life learning programmed emotional responses, you thereby refer to prostitution, the act of a two adults who choose have consentual sex under a financial aggreement, as a disease.

A sickness like the flu, whereas I refer to it as consentual sex, skipping the date and getting to the bill of the evening without the bullshit you often encounter dating.

How is it that you feel sex is ok but "openly" paying for it like anything else is suddenly a sickness corroding humanity? Thats quite a drastic change of opinion, a bit harsh one might think.

What line of logic does that come from? I know, do you?

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Sex is meant in the context of a healthy relationship.


Sex is meant to keep the species populated.

And there is no known single definition of a healthy relationship, family system, or way of life. Just because you never bothered to think about why you FEEL the way you do about certain things, especially your fear, judgement, and desire to control or destroy those who would do something you think is fine, but for money, making it not fine, doesn't mean that there aren't other possible perfectly healthy lifestyles that you have miraculously determined to unjustifiably deem like a disease.

Whats even more sad is why you do, whats even more sad than that is I'm not sure if YOU know why you do.

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they don't have to consider having a relationship or any sort of real human bonds with this person. It allows them to depersonalize the prostitute and themselves.


You just described half or more of all relationships in existance.

But again, your judging a lifestyle you don't want for yourself, which is fine, this does not give you the right to deny others their right to choose it for themselves.

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It allows them to depersonalize the prostitute and themselves.


Two things. One, that happens even to married people. Two, that is an assumption based on what I do not know, but you ignore the reality of the diversity of bonds people share and experience through life, to again proclaim your mighty and divine notions of how the world should be, and likely not your own opinion to begin with.

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Sex like most things in the world comes with responsibilities. Sex is meant in the context of a healthy relationship.


So again, opinion, not fact, and by no means suitable to be defined as law.


"The Greatest Enemy of Knowledge is Not Ignorance, It is the ILLUSION of Knowledge. Stephen Hawking"

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2841 Posts / 92M
     :   28yrs   :  
Decius

Etherealmeekle, you idiot... just because something is unnecessary that doesn't support a legal recourse against it.

You're a jackass.... a troll... you're not addressing why prostitution should be illegal, you're finding holes in why it should be legalized. That's not how the world works.

It's a sad lame attempt to legalize the beliefs of a bigotted religion like Christianity with little to no logical moral respect to personal freedoms.


"Hating everyone protects me from elitism."

1687 Posts / 38M
     :   20yrs   :  
awakendwraith

i think its illegal because it would be hard to tax.


"Wht cry for those that often cry? Instead, help them smile, and smile for those that smile."

1347 Posts / 41M
     :   23yrs   :  
etherealmeekle

For the most part taxes probably wouldn't even be paid anyway. The majority of sex workers have little to no attachment to any residence so you couldn't find them if they didn't pay up.

The only ones that would have to pay taxes would be the upper class prostitutes.


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skipping the date and getting to the bill of the evening without the bullshit you often encounter dating.


So it's just about getting whatever you want without having to give anything.

How do you minimize the number of underage persons involved in the sex trade? Will legalizing it help stop underage girls from becoming prostitutes?


"Speak out, even if what you have to say is unpopular"
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3969 Posts / 50M
     :   31yrs   :  
Ironwood

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So it's just about getting whatever you want without having to give anything.



That is a retardedly innaccurate statement. You give consent, perhaps money, an experience just as much as one recieved.

If you mean sex without a binding long term perhaps legal commitment, sure. Which is not illegal.

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How do you minimize the number of underage persons involved in the sex trade?


By keeping it from being an underground or black market that is more lucrative than a debt based society, ending a debt based society and adding some financial equality would do wonders as well.

Maybe get less preachers and nuclear families, and people in power to stop molesting children, or come to terms with the reality of human sexual nature and stop criminalizing it in general, past force of course.

Are you aware that the largest known and reported on sex trades today, including of children and primarily of boys, has been determined to be run by people of political office and power, from the church, U.N., and figureheads from all governments to the rich and famous.

These are the people with the power, money, and resources to have a covered up sex trade.

What tickles me is after all the Clinton hoopla, not a serious concern, espescially not morally, ever came from the widely covered Male prostitute frequenting the white house, before and after his unquestioned stint as a white house correspondent.

Hypocricy as thick as the skulls of those blindly advocating moral righteousnous.


"The Greatest Enemy of Knowledge is Not Ignorance, It is the ILLUSION of Knowledge. Stephen Hawking"

134 Posts / 39M
     :   31yrs   :  
tommybc98

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Gross assumption. This is what you guys keep doing, erroneously and assumptively blaming prostitution for problems that have always existed. Problems that you are seriously over generalizing while arrogantly ignoring infinite variables of circumstance.

I understand that you feel strongly on this issue, leftwood, but take a little more time to understand what I wrote: I do not claim that prostitution is responsible for social problems. I do claim, however, that dangling the lure of a "sure thing" in front of a husband unhappy with his sex life is just as enticing as a commercial animating action figures for kids. The toy commercials are allowed, because the possibility of a toy causing harm is (in most cases) too much of a gray area, although there are a few legal limitations in that area as well. My point is that the probable effect (adultery) that legal prostitution will have in society, being that even married men think with their dicks, is not one that is healthy for the well-being of our children.

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As far as prostitutes are concerned, those that do it for money are taking the easy route as well
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Indefensible opinion.


On the contrary, I have spoken in-depth to enough people to base my claim on statistical fact.


"Live a good, honorable life. Then when you get older and think back, you'll enjoy it a second time"

3969 Posts / 50M
     :   31yrs   :  
Ironwood

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My point is that the probable effect (adultery) that legal prostitution will have in society


You cannot take away a persons right, because of what you fear another "might" do, or what you fear might happen.

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On the contrary, I have spoken in-depth to enough people to base my claim on statistical fact.


You have statistics on what is the "easy" route? That makes no sense, what is easy is an opinion based on personal perspective.

Your disregard for perspectives and existing realities other than what you choose to follow and believe is what I have a strong feelings about. You cannot weigh for all what is an easier path, especially in regards to subjects with high amounts of judgement, like homosexuality and prostitution, even more especially when that judgement is generally religion based.

Living through arrogant judgement is not an easy path. Therefore your "statistical fact" of an easy route is pure bubkiss.


"The Greatest Enemy of Knowledge is Not Ignorance, It is the ILLUSION of Knowledge. Stephen Hawking"

134 Posts / 39M
     :   31yrs   :  
tommybc98

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bubkiss


Okay, leftwood, you win... and your descriptive metaphors are hilarious, too!

In your spare time, though, spend some time (years) getting to know a couple women on the inside - women you probably don't already know. Find out what makes them cry when they go to sleep at night. You might just grow a sympathy bone.


"Live a good, honorable life. Then when you get older and think back, you'll enjoy it a second time"

3969 Posts / 50M
     :   31yrs   :  
Ironwood

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You might just grow a sympathy bone.


Though it would be off topic, I'd like to know where you find me lacking sympathy, honestly, I see you lacking sympathy for anyone who wants to pick up a hooker or anyone who chooses to be one, you would like to make them all criminals and judge them as detriments to society, that's fairly unsympathetic, and I'm guessing even a reason why some women cry at night.

Go figure.


"The Greatest Enemy of Knowledge is Not Ignorance, It is the ILLUSION of Knowledge. Stephen Hawking"

134 Posts / 39M
     :   31yrs   :  
tommybc98

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I see you lacking sympathy for anyone who wants to pick up a hooker or anyone who chooses to be one

Again, on the contrary, I have quite a bit of sympathy for women who choose to be prostitutes. Why don't you get to know a few of them on the inside.


"Live a good, honorable life. Then when you get older and think back, you'll enjoy it a second time"

3969 Posts / 50M
     :   31yrs   :  
Ironwood

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Why don't you get to know a few of them on the inside.


Excuse me, how is your desire to have these women judged and jailed sympathetic?

Why don't you meet some hookers who are making real money and see how they sleep at night. And see what they have to say about you considering them banes to society as well as criminals.

And if you are worried about why women cry at night, you could ask half the married women out there why they cry themselves to sleep, but I bet you still wouldn't want to outlaw marriage, and still won't feel too hot about an increase in divorce either?

Tommy, balance exists in all things, there is good and bad in all. Your ideal marriage has equally disturbing consequences as prostitution does great and wonderous outcomes, and vice versa.

Human mating rituals are not defined by your personal standards and beliefs.

Oh, and notice the one sided answer of your sympathy for hookers but not "Johns".


"The Greatest Enemy of Knowledge is Not Ignorance, It is the ILLUSION of Knowledge. Stephen Hawking"

1 Posts / 32M
     :   40yrs   :  
azaka90

leftwood are you some kind of sophist?
your words are fallacious


3969 Posts / 50M
     :   31yrs   :  
Ironwood

Could you be a bit more specific?

What is false that is not a statement of opinion, which is of course not subject to such a classification.

Just claiming fallacy does not make it so.


"The Greatest Enemy of Knowledge is Not Ignorance, It is the ILLUSION of Knowledge. Stephen Hawking"

2203 Posts / 65M
     :   49yrs   :  
okcitykid

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leftwood are you some kind of sophist?
your words are fallacious




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Sophist (something Plato wrote)

fallacious (deceitful).

I haven't read Plato and you could have just said deceitful rather than make me use a dictionary.

You know that's interesting, if you can't get it up you can have sophi be fallacious, and you better pay for it, or do you expect to get it only out of love.




"A fool says I know and a wise man says I wonder."

1 Posts / 27M
     :   44yrs   :  
boz222

...I have often wondered about this and other issues relating to things that individuals do which are only a concern unto themselves.....

I found a book quite by accident some years back which dealt with many issues about crimes and things illeagal but which affect only people who were consenting....sorry the title elludes me but the poits it made were good I thought. Basically, that if individuals want to participate in things alone or with other consenting individuals, that affect only themselves and do not harm the person, place(s) or things of others than it should be legal... sometime maybe I can find the title and author

PEACE,

boz222


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