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Why is Prostitution Illegal? - Page 4

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 35yrs • M •
A CTL of 1 means that etherealmeekle is a contributing member of Captain Cynic.
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But if it was legal, if they beat and rape them and refuse to pay, it could get reported to the police, they may not get away with it, less chance that they will.


It could get reported to the police anyway. Do you think that suddenly making prostitution legal will make people respect prostitutes more? Just because some prostitutes will get protected doesn't mean they all will. And the ones who need protection are the ones who won't get it the ones who don't want to be out there.

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For those of you that aren't aware, prostitution is legal in Amsterdam.



One of few places in the western world that you can buy a pregnant woman in a store

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"Speak out, even if what you have to say is unpopular"
 42yrs • M •
A CTL of 1 means that MJClone is a contributing member of Captain Cynic.
[quote]Do you think that suddenly making prostitution legal will make people respect prostitutes more?

You can't make anyone respect another you can only suggest that the object or person deserves respect. Hell look at the Black Community the only way it gets respect is that it respects itself. The same with Prostitutes they need to respect themselves; put priorty on themselves before they can gain respect. I think it will also cut down on divorce, abortions, and the population. Women will all start demanding a little money for the poon.

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"what if I'm a clone?"
 43yrs • M •
A CTL of 1 means that tommybc98 is a contributing member of Captain Cynic.
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I think it will also cut down on divorce

I think the opposite will happen if more married men pursue prostitutes as an option because they no longer fear fines or imprisonment.
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Women will all start demanding a little money for the poon.

That's just plain backwards. This will draw focus to a woman's sexuality as her core worth. Promote other avenues that accentuate a person's character rather than limiting their self-worth to paid sex.

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"Live a good, honorable life. Then when you get older and think back, you'll enjoy it a second time"
 42yrs • M •
A CTL of 1 means that MJClone is a contributing member of Captain Cynic.
Both of those statements were irrelavent to the conversation I admit; but my thought was when I wrote those statements were cut down on divorce how: There is a clear cut line for men and women to know now that if you want to do something freaky go to a whore pay for it cause they are not willing to do it; and if they're partner is willing to do it then they will tell their mate to put up the money or pay them the money they were gonna spend and do the freaky sh#t themselves. It helps draw the boundries for good healthy sex. I don't know any men who are afraid of getting Fined or imprisoned behind getting a prostitute. Not unless they were running for political office of some kind.

To say that this will draw focus to a woman's sexuality as her core worth. That just depends on how a woman views herself. If woman thinks thats all she can do then so be it. I can't be and neither can society be the escape goat for thier choices any longer. Sorry I don't have any compassion for the choices that people make willingly.

Legalizing Prostitution will lead to another awakening in womens lib and have the women start raising the women to be respectful and valued as more than a hooker. They will be educated on what they are actually getting into instead of it being something dark and morally wrong. Teenage girls will be able to view it in a non skewed manner and make the choice of what they want to do.

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"what if I'm a clone?"
 43yrs • M
A CTL of 1 means that Ironwood is a contributing member of Captain Cynic.
There is no valid argument against prostitution here, explaining why it is ok for anyone to tell another person that they cannot exercise their own free will by engaging in a consentual commercial sex act.

People have the right to choose their sexual partners as well as their conditions of consent, end of story.

The law itself is hypocritical in light of the fact that there are legal and thriving porn, escort, exotic dancer, etc. industries.

Not to mention the history of courting, dates paid for by men in hopes of, and often successful, mating.

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I simply wish to treat all people, women and men alike with respect as human beings.


And you do that by telling them they can't have sex for money should they choose to do so?

Interesting side note: marraige is a legal contract that includes a prostitution clause, only the spouses are the prostitutes bound for a lifetime to eachother exclusively sexually, and if you are familiar, marriages have binding financial clauses as well.

Being a slut is not illegal, but making money at it suddenly is? And you think sluts don't work on tips? Gas, meals, GIFTS, 20 bucks never to mention it.

And your point about a woman's worth, sorry, that's not determined by choice of sexual behavior and activities, nor her profession. Why you insist on insinuating as much, well, I could probably guess. What it comes down to is what you were raised being told to think and feel, and any insecurities you may have, or traumatic relatable events that may have occured in your life.

This is the same as your non factual but merely opinionated statement that it degrades a woman to accept money for sex, some would consider it a compliment, oh, I guess it has to come in the form of a ring, a binding life aggreement, or if you are rich, a car/yacht/breast augmentation/, shoes...

And I ponder, do you suggest that any person who accepts any money, GIFTS: food, gas, jewelry etc. on a date or even as a married couple with the promise of sex and even monogomy ever, and usually instantly, make them a prostitute?

(Can a man sue his wife for holding out on him?)

Just as self revealing is your point of insecurity and sexual activity. Some of the most secure and rich and powerful, married, men and women in the world use prostitutes, homosexually and hetero.

Not all prostitutes are dirty crackheads under the thumb of some evil pimp, starving on deaths door. There are very bright successful, sensual, and highly educated women out there making a living prostituting, making porn, etc.

The point again of all that? No evidence against a person's free will to choose to.

Only people guided by opinions and fears telling others what not to do.

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"The Greatest Enemy of Knowledge is Not Ignorance, It is the ILLUSION of Knowledge. Stephen Hawking"
 35yrs • M •
A CTL of 1 means that etherealmeekle is a contributing member of Captain Cynic.
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And you do that by telling them they can't have sex for money should they choose to do so?


Not all prostitutes are that by choice. Or do you think that the 13 year old cocaine addict really wanted to be a prostitute?

Prostitution degrades sex in general.

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No evidence against a person's free will to choose to.

Only people guided by opinions and fears telling others what not to do.


Laws tend to do that. It is unconstituional to have laws because they inhibit our freewill...

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"Speak out, even if what you have to say is unpopular"
 43yrs • M
A CTL of 1 means that Ironwood is a contributing member of Captain Cynic.
Unconsentual forced sex is and should be illegal, I speak not of this, but of consentual adults not harming eachother, unless asked to.

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Laws tend to do that. It is unconstituional to have laws because the inhibit our freewill...


People have to legal right to consentual sex with any adult they choose for any reason they choose, except somehow in some cases, but not all, for money.

Laws are meant to protect and serve, prostitution is not an act that threatens our safety.

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"The Greatest Enemy of Knowledge is Not Ignorance, It is the ILLUSION of Knowledge. Stephen Hawking"
 35yrs • M •
A CTL of 1 means that etherealmeekle is a contributing member of Captain Cynic.
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Unconsentual forced sex is and should be illegal, I speak not of this, but of consentual adults not harming eachother, unless asked to.


Do you not think that legalizing prostituion will make it easier for people to get away with other sexual activity? In Holland you can buy woman in stores. Do you suppose that all these women are of age?

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 35yrs • M •
A CTL of 1 means that etherealmeekle is a contributing member of Captain Cynic.
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ECPAT USA (End Child Prostitution, Child Pornography and Trafficking of Children for Sexual Purposes)', an Anti-Trafficking agency, states that the average age of entry into street prostitution is between 12 and 14 years old, though there have been cases of girls as young as 9 years old.



And you think we should make this kind of activity legal?

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prostitution is not an act that threatens our safety.


Have you been a prostitute?

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"Speak out, even if what you have to say is unpopular"
 43yrs • M
A CTL of 1 means that Ironwood is a contributing member of Captain Cynic.
No, they are separate, if holland doesn't do something about people selling women, its not because consentual prostitution is legal. That is an inapropriate assessment.

Just because you don't always hear about it, don't think there isn't a thriving black market seeded with lawmakers and enforcers as well as every other profession of esteem or otherwise in your own back yard.

These exist regardless of whether people are allowed to exchange sex or any other service for money.


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"The Greatest Enemy of Knowledge is Not Ignorance, It is the ILLUSION of Knowledge. Stephen Hawking"
 43yrs • M
A CTL of 1 means that Ironwood is a contributing member of Captain Cynic.
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And you think we should make this kind of activity legal?


Did I ever say so? I spoke of legal adults, children are technically allowed to have sex with eachother and don't tend to prostitute unless forced by others, which is unconsentual and I have made myself clear on my feelings towards, or forced by circumstance or hardship in worse case scenarios.

You are more concerned about a person prostituting than starving to death?

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Have you been a prostitute?


Is there a point to your question?

Do you think prostitution threatens individuals and society, if so, how?

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"The Greatest Enemy of Knowledge is Not Ignorance, It is the ILLUSION of Knowledge. Stephen Hawking"
 35yrs • M •
A CTL of 1 means that etherealmeekle is a contributing member of Captain Cynic.
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Just because you don't always here about it, don't think there isn't a thriving black market seeded with lawmakers and enforcers as well as every other profession of esteem or otherwise in your own back yard.



This is inevitable and legalizing prostitution means people will have to resort to breaking other laws. If consensual sex is fine then why not try something more controversial and move onto non-consensual sex? You only make it easier for people to justify their misdeeds.

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"Speak out, even if what you have to say is unpopular"
 35yrs • M •
A CTL of 1 means that etherealmeekle is a contributing member of Captain Cynic.
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You are more concerned about a person prostituting than starving to death?


My concern is with exploitation. Why must a woman be forced to have sex in order to eat? Why can't someone help her out without taking advantage of her situation?

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Do you think prostitution threatens individuals and society, if so, how?



Ever hear of Willy Pickton or the Green River Killer?

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"Speak out, even if what you have to say is unpopular"
 43yrs • M
A CTL of 1 means that Ironwood is a contributing member of Captain Cynic.
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This is inevitable and legalizing prostitution means people will have to resort to breaking other laws. If consensual sex is fine then why not try something more controversial and move onto non-consensual sex? You only make it easier for people to justify their misdeeds.


No, consentual sex is not a misdeed, neither is exchanging money, and there is no logical reasoning behind their segregation.

Your lumping prostitution with misdeeds and the cause of them is irrational and indefensible by anything other than sheer opinion.


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"The Greatest Enemy of Knowledge is Not Ignorance, It is the ILLUSION of Knowledge. Stephen Hawking"
 43yrs • M
A CTL of 1 means that Ironwood is a contributing member of Captain Cynic.
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My concern is with exploitation. Why must a woman be forced to have sex in order to eat? Why can't someone help her out without taking advantage of her situation?



Firstly, to repeat myself, not all women are forced, indeed many are not, do you think porn stars are all forced?

Your taking a biased and negative side on a two sided topic, like anything.

And I'm not going to say again how I refer only to consentual.

I say down with with non consentual, just like you.

If you want poverty to go away, well, you better learn politics, business, and the economy etc.

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Ever hear of Willy Pickton or the Green River Killer?


Were they prostitutes? Are you daft? Ever heard of a killer post office worker, should we ban mail?

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