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Why is Prostitution Illegal?
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1347 Posts / 40M
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etherealmeekle

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You are more concerned about a person prostituting than starving to death?


My concern is with exploitation. Why must a woman be forced to have sex in order to eat? Why can't someone help her out without taking advantage of her situation?

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Do you think prostitution threatens individuals and society, if so, how?


Ever hear of Willy Pickton or the Green River Killer?


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3955 Posts / 48M
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Ironwood

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This is inevitable and legalizing prostitution means people will have to resort to breaking other laws. If consensual sex is fine then why not try something more controversial and move onto non-consensual sex? You only make it easier for people to justify their misdeeds.


No, consentual sex is not a misdeed, neither is exchanging money, and there is no logical reasoning behind their segregation.

Your lumping prostitution with misdeeds and the cause of them is irrational and indefensible by anything other than sheer opinion.


"The Greatest Enemy of Knowledge is Not Ignorance, It is the ILLUSION of Knowledge. Stephen Hawking"

3955 Posts / 48M
     :   30yrs   :  
Ironwood

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My concern is with exploitation. Why must a woman be forced to have sex in order to eat? Why can't someone help her out without taking advantage of her situation?


Firstly, to repeat myself, not all women are forced, indeed many are not, do you think porn stars are all forced?

Your taking a biased and negative side on a two sided topic, like anything.

And I'm not going to say again how I refer only to consentual.

I say down with with non consentual, just like you.

If you want poverty to go away, well, you better learn politics, business, and the economy etc.

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Ever hear of Willy Pickton or the Green River Killer?


Were they prostitutes? Are you daft? Ever heard of a killer post office worker, should we ban mail?


"The Greatest Enemy of Knowledge is Not Ignorance, It is the ILLUSION of Knowledge. Stephen Hawking"

1347 Posts / 40M
     :   23yrs   :  
etherealmeekle

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No, consentual sex is not a misdeed


"If consensual sex is fine then why not try something more controversial and move onto non-consensual sex?" By allowing morality to fall this far you make it very easy to slip just a bit farther. You don't seem to find prostitution to be amoral but there are others who don't find pedophilia to be amoral and they will side with you because you bring their goal closer.

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Were they prostitutes? Are you daft? Ever heard of a killer post office worker, should we ban mail?


You only asked if it threatened individuals and I say it does. I won't argue that most other things do too.

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do you think porn stars are all forced?


Not all of them.


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3955 Posts / 48M
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Ironwood

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By allowing morality to fall this far you make it very easy to slip just a bit farther. You don't seem to find prostitution to be amoral but there are others who don't find pedophilia to be amoral and they will side with you because you bring their goal closer.


Blaming prostitution for the deeds of pedophiles, you must be Christian, oh look there's a homo tryin' to get married too look, pedophilia on the rise. Dun Dun Dunnnnnn.....

Do you consider consentual sex amoral?

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You only asked if it threatened individuals and I say it does.


Which means nothing, unless you care to finally add HOW. There's a thought.

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Not all of them.


Got a point? All you keep saying here is that its amoral to force people, duh, but you want to force people you don't even know not to commit NON FORCED sexual acts quite common and safe?

Will he be able to answer, will he stay in context and on topic, stay tuned...


"The Greatest Enemy of Knowledge is Not Ignorance, It is the ILLUSION of Knowledge. Stephen Hawking"

1347 Posts / 40M
     :   23yrs   :  
etherealmeekle

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Blaming prostitution for the deeds of pedophiles, you must be Christian, oh look there's a homo tryin' to get married too look, pedophilia on the rise. Dun Dun Dunnnnnn.....


You honestly see no connections? Woman's lib in Finland sided with same sex marriage because they felt it would destroy marriage completely. Fringe groups are always waiting for someone to make the first move.

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Do you consider consentual sex amoral?


No. But I find prostitution is a poor substitute for consentual sex.

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Which means nothing, unless you care to finally add HOW


You fail to see that things are connected and so I cannot possibly tell you how because you won't understand.

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All you keep saying here is that its amoral to force people


I'm not against force I am against forced sex. Sex should not be a tool. If the average age of entry to the sex trade is 14 why should we condone that industry?

Why do we need the sex trade anyway?


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3955 Posts / 48M
     :   30yrs   :  
Ironwood

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You honestly see no connections? Woman's lib in Finland sided with same sex marriage because they felt it would destroy marriage completely. Fringe groups are always waiting for someone to make the first move.


Did anything there say anything about a rise in pedophilia that I should see a connection with?

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No. But I find prostitution is a poor substitute for consentual sex.


Um, very slowly now, it's not a substitution, it IS consentual sex...

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You fail to see that things are connected and so I cannot possibly tell you how because you won't understand.




No, young padawan, it is you who do not understand that you are the one connecting innocence with imfamy.

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Sex should not be a tool.


Uh well it is, its the natural tool of human procreation, without it we would be extinct.

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Why do we need the sex trade anyway?


Because grown adults wish it so. Why do we need to fight against the sex trade?


"The Greatest Enemy of Knowledge is Not Ignorance, It is the ILLUSION of Knowledge. Stephen Hawking"

1347 Posts / 40M
     :   23yrs   :  
etherealmeekle

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Did anything there say anything about a rise in pedophilia that I should see a connection with?


I was talking about fringe groups. It isn't exclusive to pedophiles.

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Because grown adults wish it so.


So basically we need war, violence, greed and all other things that grown adults also wish for? You do realise that there are grown adult who wish to have sex with little kids, so is that a justification for their actions? That is not a need it is simply a lame excuse.

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This to me is an argument with its priorities out of whack that is directly related to the strange attitude I now see daily where parents and people worry more about sex, sexuality, and nudity than they do violence, greed, and lies.


Did it ever occur to you that the whole sex trade is based on greed? Why do you think women are forced into it? Because some pimp wants to make money. Why do you think women choose to enter the sex trade? Because they know they know that there's a lot of stupid men out there that they can make lots of money off of.


"Speak out, even if what you have to say is unpopular"

3955 Posts / 48M
     :   30yrs   :  
Ironwood

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I was talking about fringe groups. It isn't exclusive to pedophiles.


Untill you stop speaking in ambiguous generalities with unjustified loose assosiations, you aren't talking about anything. So, please stop.

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That is not a need it is simply a lame excuse.


You are acting like a moron, consentual sex is in no way the same as war or pedophilia, and it IS NEEDED jackass.

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Did it ever occur to you that the whole sex trade is based on greed?


All commerce is based on needs, desires, and greed. Are you suggesting we stop commerce?

Or are you simply repedatively complaining about unfortunate circumstances that no one is advocating, basically leaving you arguing with yourself and annoying others.

You are arguing against abuse and slavery, no one is disagreeing with that, so either explain why non forced consentual commercial sex is bad or shut the fuck up already.

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Why do you think women are forced into it?


Greed does not force one into prostitution, that makes it an option, homelessness, starvation, or gunpoint can. But not all people are forced into prostitution and again you are being repetative.

Forced prostitution is bad, do not bother repeating yourself, though I'm sure you will.

How about you explain why consentual prostitution is bad for a change, without mentioning unrelated serial killers, pedophiles and anything else that is not consenting adults having sex.

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Why do you think women choose to enter the sex trade? Because they know they know that there's a lot of stupid men out there that they can make lots of money off of.


Your speaking in opinions again now, seeing as how some of the most educated and successful men are the ones paying for sex, as well as many highly educated and successful women being the prostitute, I hardly see how stupid is the accurate term.


"The Greatest Enemy of Knowledge is Not Ignorance, It is the ILLUSION of Knowledge. Stephen Hawking"

1347 Posts / 40M
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etherealmeekle

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and it IS NEEDED jackass.


You insist that prostitution is needed but cannot tell me why.

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How about you explain why consentual prostitution is bad for a change,


Degradation of the family system. Breaking up what is left of community is not good for humanity as a whole. Prostitution is just one more way to take relationships out of our lives.

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I hardly see how stupid is the accurate term.


I wasn't meaning stupid in the uneducated way. By stupid I mean people who are otherwise incapable of showing self restraint.


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134 Posts / 38M
     :   31yrs   :  
tommybc98

Okay, listen.
Aside from the fact that I find a few of your comments humorous, leftwood, we should all realize that there is no first place trophy or world-recognition to be won by the winner of this debate, so the pointed jabs are unnecessary.

I think you have good points when you refer to "consenting adults," and I am well-versed in the causes and effects involved in business economy. Although I may disagree with some arguments you may have in that area, I do not believe they are really worth discussing here.

On the other hand, I really have to defend ethereal's point involving degradation of the family system. The prevention of crime in future generations is hugely based on the cohesion of marriage, which contributes to the mental health of our children. The legalization of prostitution DOES make adultery more accessible. People do not cheat on their spouses unless they have a low self-esteem, and legal prostitution provides a way to be with a woman whether she is attracted to you or not. It's all very interwoven, socially speaking, and legalizing prostitution is an attempt to alleviate a social stress (the easy route) instead of trying to fix it (the route with more effort).

As far as prostitutes are concerned, those that do it for money are taking the easy route as well, whether they are paying for addictive drugs or not, and have no regard whatsoever for whether their "date" is married. As far as those that are forced into prostitution is concerned, it sounds like everyone is in agreement on that matter.

It should be self evident that prostitution harms society, and the economics/business argument doesn't hold water, because there are no guarantees of any positive results for the nation as a whole.


"Live a good, honorable life. Then when you get older and think back, you'll enjoy it a second time"

3955 Posts / 48M
     :   30yrs   :  
Ironwood

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You insist that prostitution is needed but cannot tell me why.


I was referring to consentual sex.

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Degradation of the family system.


Gross assumption. This is what you guys keep doing, erroneously and assumptively blaming prostitution for problems that have always existed. Problems that you are seriously over generalizing while arrogantly ignoring infinite variables of circumstance.

You can't blame prostitution for men and women who choose not to be monogomous, for breaking promises or contracts. You can't blame cake for fat girls.

The bias you follow is displayed by the negative focus on that which you disagree with and a possitive light on what you do.

For your information, your undefined family system is not only a continuously changing dynamic since the beginning of time, but the current cherised model of the crippled if not dying nuclear family is also home to an infamous degree of abuse, including your ever feard pedophilia and forced prostitution.

It simply is not logical to attempt to blame family degradation of prostitution. Infidelity and divorce exist regardless, always have.

I'd be far more concerned about economic hardship brought by job outsourcing and cheap immigrant labor, deficits, war budgets, bias for the rich in a greed driven society. Parents not being able to afford to be parents has been the general bane of the recent nuclear family system.

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legalizing prostitution is an attempt to alleviate a social stress (the easy route) instead of trying to fix it (the route with more effort).


You seem to have an opinion about how others should mate? Why is that?

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By stupid I mean people who are otherwise incapable of showing self restraint.


Now prostitution is a lack of restraint? You just make shit up don't you.

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As far as prostitutes are concerned, those that do it for money are taking the easy route as well


Indefensible opinion.

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It should be self evident that prostitution harms society


Why, just because you say so?

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the economics/business argument doesn't hold water, because there are no guarantees of any positive results for the nation as a whole.


Did someone insinuate that prostitution would fix the economy?

What you guys miss with your bias is that you cause social stress by making sweeping claims of control over and judgement against other's lives based on ideologies formed from opinions, traditions, and belief systems, not factual threats.

Does it occur to you that the same exact argument is used against gays?

Instead of worrying about others sex lives, we should perhaps concern ourselves with this blindly biased judgement.


"The Greatest Enemy of Knowledge is Not Ignorance, It is the ILLUSION of Knowledge. Stephen Hawking"

1347 Posts / 40M
     :   23yrs   :  
etherealmeekle

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I was referring to consentual sex.


Consensual sex is fine by why should prostitution be legal?

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You can't blame prostitution for men and women who choose not to be monogomous, for breaking promises or contracts. You can't blame cake for fat girls.


If men and women choose to be unfaithful should we give them the ability and excuse to do so?

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Infidelity and divorce exist regardless, always have.


So we should make these things easy because they exist? Murder has existed for thousands of years and always will so why bother trying to stop it or at least keep the death count down?

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Parents not being able to afford to be parents has been the general bane of the recent nuclear family system.


Responsibility for ones actions would be the way to start repairing the family system. However by allowing these things to continue not only in secret but even openly and acceptably you cause only more problems.

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Now prostitution is a lack of restraint? You just make shit up don't you.


Since you fail to tell me why prostitution is necessary I must conclude that it is because people simply need to fulfill themselves in a way that does not involve taking responsibility for their actions.


"Speak out, even if what you have to say is unpopular"

3955 Posts / 48M
     :   30yrs   :  
Ironwood

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Consensual sex is fine by why should prostitution be legal?


Because prostitution is consentual sex.

Because the consentual exchange or giving of personal funds is legal.

Because nothing but irrational bias and personal opinion is in evidence as to why it should not.

Because it's their bodies and not yours.

And because the way to reduce prostitution or any threat you fear it may cause, is not by demonizing and criminalizing it.

Prostitution is misunderstood, marriage is a legal, moral, binding pimp contract. Especially from its religious roots of basic woman ownership.

You guys speak of respecting others, but what you really want is to control them untill they conform with what you have decided to conform to.

Passing judgement is not respect.

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If men and women choose to be unfaithful should we give them the ability and excuse to do so?


Firstly thats up to them, their terms, and what life changes they experience, secondly, sexual temptation will always exist regardless of the existance of prostitution and cannot be blamed for said temptation.

You just blindly associate prostitution with infidelity. That is irresponsible and not a valid argument.

Personal promises and contracts are the responsibility of the indivudual.

So, by your logic, because a married man may be tempted by a prostitute, a single man cannot legally decide to have consentual sex with a prostitute?

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should we give them the ability and excuse to do so?


I just covered how prostitution doesn't magically grant the possibility of infidelity.

But who is giving an excuse, and what sense does that even make? Where do you get the existance of prostitution equating to an excuse for infidelity?

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Responsibility for ones actions would be the way to start repairing the family system.


What lack of responsibility of one's actions are you referring to?

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However by allowing these things to continue not only in secret but even openly and acceptably you cause only more problems.


"These things" Good god, can't you ever be specific? And simply stating that ambiguous items of distaste to you cause non specified generalizations of problems means nothing, and is getting tiresome to re-read.

"these things" and "more problems"

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Infidelity and divorce exist regardless, always have.

So we should make these things easy because they exist?


Get a clue already, you can not blame prostitution for adultery or divorce, period.

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Responsibility for ones actions would be the way to start repairing the family system.


Hmmm, which means stop blaming fears and temptations and take responsibility for one's own choices and actions.

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Since you fail to tell me why prostitution is necessary


I don't have to explain why it is necessary, it isn't, I'm explaining that it is not a criminal act and should not be treated as such.

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I must conclude that it is because people simply need to fulfill themselves in a way that does not involve taking responsibility for their actions.


How do they not take responsibility for their actions by choosing to fulfill themselves in that way? Explain yourself king of ambiguous judgement.


"The Greatest Enemy of Knowledge is Not Ignorance, It is the ILLUSION of Knowledge. Stephen Hawking"

1347 Posts / 40M
     :   23yrs   :  
etherealmeekle

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So, by your logic, because a married man may be tempted by a prostitute, a single man cannot legally decide to have consentual sex with a prostitute?


Prostitution is unnecessary so why should the single man need it?

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Get a clue already, you can not blame prostitution for adultery or divorce, period.


So a man has the flu and that causes him to have a fever. We cannot blame the fever for causing the flu but we can treat the flue and thus remove the fever. Or should we say that fevers happen anyway so don’t bother treating the flu?

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How do they not take responsibility for their actions by choosing to fulfill themselves in that way?


Sex like most things in the world comes with responsibilities. Sex is meant in the context of a healthy relationship. By using prostitutes to fulfill their desires they don't have to consider having a relationship or any sort of real human bonds with this person. It allows them to depersonalize the prostitute and themselves.


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