People don`t plan to fail, they fail to plan - 68 firebird
Captain Cynic Guides
Administrative Contact
Talk Talk
Philosophy Forum
Religion Forum
Psychology Forum
Science & Technology Forum
Politics & Current Events Forum
Health & Wellness Forum
Sexuality & Intimacy Forum
Product Reviews
Stories & Poetry Forum
Art Forum
Movie/TV Reviews
Jokes & Games
Photos, Videos & Music Forum

Why is Prostitution Illegal? - Page 5

User Thread
 35yrs • M •
A CTL of 1 means that etherealmeekle is a contributing member of Captain Cynic.
quote:
No, consentual sex is not a misdeed


"If consensual sex is fine then why not try something more controversial and move onto non-consensual sex?" By allowing morality to fall this far you make it very easy to slip just a bit farther. You don't seem to find prostitution to be amoral but there are others who don't find pedophilia to be amoral and they will side with you because you bring their goal closer.

quote:
Were they prostitutes? Are you daft? Ever heard of a killer post office worker, should we ban mail?


You only asked if it threatened individuals and I say it does. I won't argue that most other things do too.

quote:
do you think porn stars are all forced?



Not all of them.

| Permalink
"Speak out, even if what you have to say is unpopular"
 43yrs • M
A CTL of 1 means that Ironwood is a contributing member of Captain Cynic.
quote:
By allowing morality to fall this far you make it very easy to slip just a bit farther. You don't seem to find prostitution to be amoral but there are others who don't find pedophilia to be amoral and they will side with you because you bring their goal closer.



Blaming prostitution for the deeds of pedophiles, you must be Christian, oh look there's a homo tryin' to get married too look, pedophilia on the rise. Dun Dun Dunnnnnn.....

Do you consider consentual sex amoral?

quote:
You only asked if it threatened individuals and I say it does.


Which means nothing, unless you care to finally add HOW. There's a thought.

quote:
Not all of them.


Got a point? All you keep saying here is that its amoral to force people, duh, but you want to force people you don't even know not to commit NON FORCED sexual acts quite common and safe?

Will he be able to answer, will he stay in context and on topic, stay tuned...

| Permalink
"The Greatest Enemy of Knowledge is Not Ignorance, It is the ILLUSION of Knowledge. Stephen Hawking"
 35yrs • M •
A CTL of 1 means that etherealmeekle is a contributing member of Captain Cynic.
quote:
Blaming prostitution for the deeds of pedophiles, you must be Christian, oh look there's a homo tryin' to get married too look, pedophilia on the rise. Dun Dun Dunnnnnn.....


You honestly see no connections? Woman's lib in Finland sided with same sex marriage because they felt it would destroy marriage completely. Fringe groups are always waiting for someone to make the first move.

quote:
Do you consider consentual sex amoral?



No. But I find prostitution is a poor substitute for consentual sex.

quote:
Which means nothing, unless you care to finally add HOW


You fail to see that things are connected and so I cannot possibly tell you how because you won't understand.

quote:
All you keep saying here is that its amoral to force people


I'm not against force I am against forced sex. Sex should not be a tool. If the average age of entry to the sex trade is 14 why should we condone that industry?

Why do we need the sex trade anyway?

| Permalink
"Speak out, even if what you have to say is unpopular"
 43yrs • M
A CTL of 1 means that Ironwood is a contributing member of Captain Cynic.
quote:
You honestly see no connections? Woman's lib in Finland sided with same sex marriage because they felt it would destroy marriage completely. Fringe groups are always waiting for someone to make the first move.



Did anything there say anything about a rise in pedophilia that I should see a connection with?

quote:
No. But I find prostitution is a poor substitute for consentual sex.


Um, very slowly now, it's not a substitution, it IS consentual sex...

quote:
You fail to see that things are connected and so I cannot possibly tell you how because you won't understand.





No, young padawan, it is you who do not understand that you are the one connecting innocence with imfamy.

quote:
Sex should not be a tool.


Uh well it is, its the natural tool of human procreation, without it we would be extinct.

quote:
Why do we need the sex trade anyway?


Because grown adults wish it so. Why do we need to fight against the sex trade?

| Permalink
"The Greatest Enemy of Knowledge is Not Ignorance, It is the ILLUSION of Knowledge. Stephen Hawking"
 35yrs • M •
A CTL of 1 means that etherealmeekle is a contributing member of Captain Cynic.
quote:
Did anything there say anything about a rise in pedophilia that I should see a connection with?


I was talking about fringe groups. It isn't exclusive to pedophiles.

quote:
Because grown adults wish it so.


So basically we need war, violence, greed and all other things that grown adults also wish for? You do realise that there are grown adult who wish to have sex with little kids, so is that a justification for their actions? That is not a need it is simply a lame excuse.

quote:
This to me is an argument with its priorities out of whack that is directly related to the strange attitude I now see daily where parents and people worry more about sex, sexuality, and nudity than they do violence, greed, and lies.


Did it ever occur to you that the whole sex trade is based on greed? Why do you think women are forced into it? Because some pimp wants to make money. Why do you think women choose to enter the sex trade? Because they know they know that there's a lot of stupid men out there that they can make lots of money off of.

| Permalink
"Speak out, even if what you have to say is unpopular"
 43yrs • M
A CTL of 1 means that Ironwood is a contributing member of Captain Cynic.
quote:
I was talking about fringe groups. It isn't exclusive to pedophiles.


Untill you stop speaking in ambiguous generalities with unjustified loose assosiations, you aren't talking about anything. So, please stop.

quote:
That is not a need it is simply a lame excuse.



You are acting like a moron, consentual sex is in no way the same as war or pedophilia, and it IS NEEDED jackass.

quote:
Did it ever occur to you that the whole sex trade is based on greed?


All commerce is based on needs, desires, and greed. Are you suggesting we stop commerce?

Or are you simply repedatively complaining about unfortunate circumstances that no one is advocating, basically leaving you arguing with yourself and annoying others.

You are arguing against abuse and slavery, no one is disagreeing with that, so either explain why non forced consentual commercial sex is bad or shut the fuck up already.

quote:
Why do you think women are forced into it?


Greed does not force one into prostitution, that makes it an option, homelessness, starvation, or gunpoint can. But not all people are forced into prostitution and again you are being repetative.

Forced prostitution is bad, do not bother repeating yourself, though I'm sure you will.

How about you explain why consentual prostitution is bad for a change, without mentioning unrelated serial killers, pedophiles and anything else that is not consenting adults having sex.

quote:
Why do you think women choose to enter the sex trade? Because they know they know that there's a lot of stupid men out there that they can make lots of money off of.


Your speaking in opinions again now, seeing as how some of the most educated and successful men are the ones paying for sex, as well as many highly educated and successful women being the prostitute, I hardly see how stupid is the accurate term.


| Permalink
"The Greatest Enemy of Knowledge is Not Ignorance, It is the ILLUSION of Knowledge. Stephen Hawking"
 35yrs • M •
A CTL of 1 means that etherealmeekle is a contributing member of Captain Cynic.
quote:
and it IS NEEDED jackass.



You insist that prostitution is needed but cannot tell me why.

quote:
How about you explain why consentual prostitution is bad for a change,


Degradation of the family system. Breaking up what is left of community is not good for humanity as a whole. Prostitution is just one more way to take relationships out of our lives.

quote:
I hardly see how stupid is the accurate term.



I wasn't meaning stupid in the uneducated way. By stupid I mean people who are otherwise incapable of showing self restraint.

| Permalink
"Speak out, even if what you have to say is unpopular"
 44yrs • M •
A CTL of 1 means that tommybc98 is a contributing member of Captain Cynic.
Okay, listen.
Aside from the fact that I find a few of your comments humorous, leftwood, we should all realize that there is no first place trophy or world-recognition to be won by the winner of this debate, so the pointed jabs are unnecessary.

I think you have good points when you refer to "consenting adults," and I am well-versed in the causes and effects involved in business economy. Although I may disagree with some arguments you may have in that area, I do not believe they are really worth discussing here.

On the other hand, I really have to defend ethereal's point involving degradation of the family system. The prevention of crime in future generations is hugely based on the cohesion of marriage, which contributes to the mental health of our children. The legalization of prostitution DOES make adultery more accessible. People do not cheat on their spouses unless they have a low self-esteem, and legal prostitution provides a way to be with a woman whether she is attracted to you or not. It's all very interwoven, socially speaking, and legalizing prostitution is an attempt to alleviate a social stress (the easy route) instead of trying to fix it (the route with more effort).

As far as prostitutes are concerned, those that do it for money are taking the easy route as well, whether they are paying for addictive drugs or not, and have no regard whatsoever for whether their "date" is married. As far as those that are forced into prostitution is concerned, it sounds like everyone is in agreement on that matter.

It should be self evident that prostitution harms society, and the economics/business argument doesn't hold water, because there are no guarantees of any positive results for the nation as a whole.

| Permalink
"Live a good, honorable life. Then when you get older and think back, you'll enjoy it a second time"
 43yrs • M
A CTL of 1 means that Ironwood is a contributing member of Captain Cynic.
quote:
You insist that prostitution is needed but cannot tell me why.


I was referring to consentual sex.

quote:
Degradation of the family system.


Gross assumption. This is what you guys keep doing, erroneously and assumptively blaming prostitution for problems that have always existed. Problems that you are seriously over generalizing while arrogantly ignoring infinite variables of circumstance.

You can't blame prostitution for men and women who choose not to be monogomous, for breaking promises or contracts. You can't blame cake for fat girls.

The bias you follow is displayed by the negative focus on that which you disagree with and a possitive light on what you do.

For your information, your undefined family system is not only a continuously changing dynamic since the beginning of time, but the current cherised model of the crippled if not dying nuclear family is also home to an infamous degree of abuse, including your ever feard pedophilia and forced prostitution.

It simply is not logical to attempt to blame family degradation of prostitution. Infidelity and divorce exist regardless, always have.

I'd be far more concerned about economic hardship brought by job outsourcing and cheap immigrant labor, deficits, war budgets, bias for the rich in a greed driven society. Parents not being able to afford to be parents has been the general bane of the recent nuclear family system.

quote:
legalizing prostitution is an attempt to alleviate a social stress (the easy route) instead of trying to fix it (the route with more effort).



You seem to have an opinion about how others should mate? Why is that?

quote:
By stupid I mean people who are otherwise incapable of showing self restraint.



Now prostitution is a lack of restraint? You just make shit up don't you.

quote:
As far as prostitutes are concerned, those that do it for money are taking the easy route as well


Indefensible opinion.

quote:
It should be self evident that prostitution harms society


Why, just because you say so?

quote:
the economics/business argument doesn't hold water, because there are no guarantees of any positive results for the nation as a whole.



Did someone insinuate that prostitution would fix the economy?

What you guys miss with your bias is that you cause social stress by making sweeping claims of control over and judgement against other's lives based on ideologies formed from opinions, traditions, and belief systems, not factual threats.

Does it occur to you that the same exact argument is used against gays?

Instead of worrying about others sex lives, we should perhaps concern ourselves with this blindly biased judgement.

| Permalink
"The Greatest Enemy of Knowledge is Not Ignorance, It is the ILLUSION of Knowledge. Stephen Hawking"
 35yrs • M •
A CTL of 1 means that etherealmeekle is a contributing member of Captain Cynic.
quote:
I was referring to consentual sex.


Consensual sex is fine by why should prostitution be legal?

quote:
You can't blame prostitution for men and women who choose not to be monogomous, for breaking promises or contracts. You can't blame cake for fat girls.


If men and women choose to be unfaithful should we give them the ability and excuse to do so?

quote:
Infidelity and divorce exist regardless, always have.


So we should make these things easy because they exist? Murder has existed for thousands of years and always will so why bother trying to stop it or at least keep the death count down?

quote:
Parents not being able to afford to be parents has been the general bane of the recent nuclear family system.


Responsibility for ones actions would be the way to start repairing the family system. However by allowing these things to continue not only in secret but even openly and acceptably you cause only more problems.

quote:
Now prostitution is a lack of restraint? You just make shit up don't you.


Since you fail to tell me why prostitution is necessary I must conclude that it is because people simply need to fulfill themselves in a way that does not involve taking responsibility for their actions.

| Permalink
"Speak out, even if what you have to say is unpopular"
 43yrs • M
A CTL of 1 means that Ironwood is a contributing member of Captain Cynic.
quote:
Consensual sex is fine by why should prostitution be legal?


Because prostitution is consentual sex.

Because the consentual exchange or giving of personal funds is legal.

Because nothing but irrational bias and personal opinion is in evidence as to why it should not.

Because it's their bodies and not yours.

And because the way to reduce prostitution or any threat you fear it may cause, is not by demonizing and criminalizing it.

Prostitution is misunderstood, marriage is a legal, moral, binding pimp contract. Especially from its religious roots of basic woman ownership.

You guys speak of respecting others, but what you really want is to control them untill they conform with what you have decided to conform to.

Passing judgement is not respect.

quote:
If men and women choose to be unfaithful should we give them the ability and excuse to do so?


Firstly thats up to them, their terms, and what life changes they experience, secondly, sexual temptation will always exist regardless of the existance of prostitution and cannot be blamed for said temptation.

You just blindly associate prostitution with infidelity. That is irresponsible and not a valid argument.

Personal promises and contracts are the responsibility of the indivudual.

So, by your logic, because a married man may be tempted by a prostitute, a single man cannot legally decide to have consentual sex with a prostitute?

quote:
should we give them the ability and excuse to do so?


I just covered how prostitution doesn't magically grant the possibility of infidelity.

But who is giving an excuse, and what sense does that even make? Where do you get the existance of prostitution equating to an excuse for infidelity?

quote:
Responsibility for ones actions would be the way to start repairing the family system.


What lack of responsibility of one's actions are you referring to?

quote:
However by allowing these things to continue not only in secret but even openly and acceptably you cause only more problems.



"These things" Good god, can't you ever be specific? And simply stating that ambiguous items of distaste to you cause non specified generalizations of problems means nothing, and is getting tiresome to re-read.

"these things" and "more problems"

quote:
Infidelity and divorce exist regardless, always have.

So we should make these things easy because they exist?


Get a clue already, you can not blame prostitution for adultery or divorce, period.

quote:
Responsibility for ones actions would be the way to start repairing the family system.


Hmmm, which means stop blaming fears and temptations and take responsibility for one's own choices and actions.

quote:
Since you fail to tell me why prostitution is necessary


I don't have to explain why it is necessary, it isn't, I'm explaining that it is not a criminal act and should not be treated as such.

quote:
I must conclude that it is because people simply need to fulfill themselves in a way that does not involve taking responsibility for their actions.


How do they not take responsibility for their actions by choosing to fulfill themselves in that way? Explain yourself king of ambiguous judgement.

| Permalink
"The Greatest Enemy of Knowledge is Not Ignorance, It is the ILLUSION of Knowledge. Stephen Hawking"
 35yrs • M •
A CTL of 1 means that etherealmeekle is a contributing member of Captain Cynic.
quote:
So, by your logic, because a married man may be tempted by a prostitute, a single man cannot legally decide to have consentual sex with a prostitute?


Prostitution is unnecessary so why should the single man need it?

quote:
Get a clue already, you can not blame prostitution for adultery or divorce, period.


So a man has the flu and that causes him to have a fever. We cannot blame the fever for causing the flu but we can treat the flue and thus remove the fever. Or should we say that fevers happen anyway so don't bother treating the flu?

quote:
How do they not take responsibility for their actions by choosing to fulfill themselves in that way?


Sex like most things in the world comes with responsibilities. Sex is meant in the context of a healthy relationship. By using prostitutes to fulfill their desires they don't have to consider having a relationship or any sort of real human bonds with this person. It allows them to depersonalize the prostitute and themselves.

| Permalink
"Speak out, even if what you have to say is unpopular"
 43yrs • M
A CTL of 1 means that Ironwood is a contributing member of Captain Cynic.
quote:
Prostitution is unnecessary so why should the single man need it?


Who says he does, it doesn't matter if he needs it or not, he wants it and since consentual sex is legal prostitution should be as well.

quote:
So a man has the flu and that causes him to have a fever. We cannot blame the fever for causing the flu but we can treat the flue and thus remove the fever. Or should we say that fevers happen anyway so don't bother treating the flu?



See, here's your problem, whereas you are so clouded by bias, influence, and a life learning programmed emotional responses, you thereby refer to prostitution, the act of a two adults who choose have consentual sex under a financial aggreement, as a disease.

A sickness like the flu, whereas I refer to it as consentual sex, skipping the date and getting to the bill of the evening without the bullshit you often encounter dating.

How is it that you feel sex is ok but "openly" paying for it like anything else is suddenly a sickness corroding humanity? Thats quite a drastic change of opinion, a bit harsh one might think.

What line of logic does that come from? I know, do you?

quote:
Sex is meant in the context of a healthy relationship.


Sex is meant to keep the species populated.

And there is no known single definition of a healthy relationship, family system, or way of life. Just because you never bothered to think about why you FEEL the way you do about certain things, especially your fear, judgement, and desire to control or destroy those who would do something you think is fine, but for money, making it not fine, doesn't mean that there aren't other possible perfectly healthy lifestyles that you have miraculously determined to unjustifiably deem like a disease.

Whats even more sad is why you do, whats even more sad than that is I'm not sure if YOU know why you do.

quote:
they don't have to consider having a relationship or any sort of real human bonds with this person. It allows them to depersonalize the prostitute and themselves.


You just described half or more of all relationships in existance.

But again, your judging a lifestyle you don't want for yourself, which is fine, this does not give you the right to deny others their right to choose it for themselves.

quote:
It allows them to depersonalize the prostitute and themselves.


Two things. One, that happens even to married people. Two, that is an assumption based on what I do not know, but you ignore the reality of the diversity of bonds people share and experience through life, to again proclaim your mighty and divine notions of how the world should be, and likely not your own opinion to begin with.

quote:
Sex like most things in the world comes with responsibilities. Sex is meant in the context of a healthy relationship.


So again, opinion, not fact, and by no means suitable to be defined as law.

| Permalink
"The Greatest Enemy of Knowledge is Not Ignorance, It is the ILLUSION of Knowledge. Stephen Hawking"
 32yrs • M
A CTL of 1 means that awakendwraith is a contributing member of Captain Cynic.
i think its illegal because it would be hard to tax.

| Permalink
"Why cry for those that often cry? Instead, help them smile, and smile for those that smile."
 35yrs • M •
A CTL of 1 means that etherealmeekle is a contributing member of Captain Cynic.
For the most part taxes probably wouldn't even be paid anyway. The majority of sex workers have little to no attachment to any residence so you couldn't find them if they didn't pay up.

The only ones that would have to pay taxes would be the upper class prostitutes.


quote:
skipping the date and getting to the bill of the evening without the bullshit you often encounter dating.


So it's just about getting whatever you want without having to give anything.

How do you minimize the number of underage persons involved in the sex trade? Will legalizing it help stop underage girls from becoming prostitutes?

| Permalink
"Speak out, even if what you have to say is unpopular"
[  Edited by etherealmeekle at   ]
Why is Prostitution Illegal? - Page 5
  1    2    3    4    5    6    7  
About Captain Cynic
Common FAQ's
Captain Cynic Guides
Contact Us
Terms of Use
Privacy Policy
General Forum Rules
Cynic Trust Levels
Administrative Contact Forum
Registration
Lost Password
General Discussion
Philosophy Forums
Psychology Forums
Health Forums
Quote Submissions
Promotions & Links
 Captain Cynic on Facebook
 Captain Cynic on Twitter
 Captain Cynic RSS Feed
 Daily Tasker
Copyright © 2011 Captain Cynic All Rights Reserved.   Terms of Use   Privacy Policy