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If god exist why doesn't he show himself to the world?

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24 Posts / 32M
     :   20yrs   :  
gari

If god exist why doesn't he show himself to the world? [+ favourites]

Sometimes the most complex question can be answered very simple. I know what the answer to this question is, do you?


6 Posts / 32M
     :   26yrs   :  
Doctor Nobody

I don't think it's a complex question at all; yet, a good one.
I can think of a few answers...
-wouldn't like to argue with humans until the end of time
-it's too funny to see humans argue with eachother on their own, why change a winning entertainment format ?
-wouldn't like humans to kill eachother even more than before
-42
-couldn't care less about humans
-doesn't even know humans exist
-still can't believe he-she-it exists
-been there, done that, but rebuilding the world is too much work
-must wait to see the answers on the thread


""For every complex problem, there is a solution that is simple, neat, and wrong.""

772 Posts / 42M
     :   25yrs   :  
heyjme1

"A human being is a part of a whole, called by us _universe_, a part limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and feelings as something separated from the rest... a kind of optical delusion of his consciousness. This delusion is a kind of prison for us, restricting us to our personal desires and to affection for a few persons nearest to us. Our task must be to free ourselves from this prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature in its beauty." -- Albert

The souce and the end of this is God. What is it, do you think, that allows the unimaginable (to us) physical laws of this universe to operate? What is it that causes gravity and other such forces to act consistently so to cause the image to us of a table. In fact, the computer that your looking at now is composed of various atoms which will, in and of themselves by about a year all have dissappeared from the computer. Yet the cmputer still maintains a form.

The word 'God' does not, to me at least, mean the man who sits upstairs and judges our actions. No that sounds like a dictator.

I don't really call this God, but spirituality. To me, there is definitely something more than mere physical objects. This is not mysticism of blind faith, but of that sheer intensity of feeling, not thinking but feeling, that answers can be found if you know the way to seek them.

I cant explain this more, just have faith in your self and persevere...keep digging, keep asking why. Let your mind be open to possibilities that are not circumscribed by the normal 'rational' thought. Certainly this is the very trait that the most successful people have questioned...think on this..


""No words""

24 Posts / 32M
     :   20yrs   :  
gari

I think that what your feeling is that your brain can't comprehend how overwhelming complex the _universe_ is.

BTW I don't believe in god


772 Posts / 42M
     :   25yrs   :  
heyjme1

hahaha....Of course my mind can't. But it can comprehend some of it. And it wants to somprehend more. And I'm still not sure whether I believe in God, because I dont even know what it is. Ask yourslef why you don't believe in God. No in fact first ask what God could be....


""No words""

24 Posts / 32M
     :   20yrs   :  
gari

Gods are almighty unnatural beings who are immortals. That are gods. I think the word god is used for things other then that description on this board, so you don't talk about a ' god' anymore, right? rather name it osmething else


856 Posts / 42M
     :   21yrs   :  
Jacker_Jones

I think if he existed and showed himself that would kind of beat the whole purpose of what we're going through...


"I love to see people struggling for their purpose in life..."

24 Posts / 32M
     :   20yrs   :  
gari

what's the purpose? if god shows himself to me (whil I'm not drunk or under influence by any kind of drug) I while dedicate my life to him. until then: screw him


772 Posts / 42M
     :   25yrs   :  
heyjme1

hahaha...

Just for the time being. Imagine a clock. A clock tells the time and time is measured by clocks...think about this for a wee while.

Now, between the 'ticks' and the 'tocks' as in drawings and the dots that make the lines...and the lines that make the dots. Can the immortal unnatural (what's unnatural?) beings be that in these moments. I'm not saying 'they' are...but I am saying could 'they' not be?


""No words""

24 Posts / 32M
     :   20yrs   :  
gari

Time can also be told by day/night, and the sun. And time is absolute, as I mentioned before. I don't understand the lines dots thing. And unnatural is not natural of course, just like inhuman and human. the substance ' god' would be made of is unnatural


856 Posts / 42M
     :   21yrs   :  
Jacker_Jones

I once knew a man who was really rich. So wealthy that he knew that people acted unnatural around him. So he suppressed this to see how it would feel to be "normal" and how people would treat him if they didn't think he was rich. He soon learned that many were his friends simply because he was rich. Perhaps God, if he exists, is also like this. He wants to see who will follow him even if there is chance of him being non-existent.


"I love to see people struggling for their purpose in life..."

772 Posts / 42M
     :   25yrs   :  
heyjme1

Time is relative to the observer. It varies. It is not constant. Its not like a arrow that you shoot and measure. The order of mathematics that assumes from your position on this earth according to those of law are fascinating. But one observer will see the same effect according to your position as you BELIEVE to be so.

Thus time is not constant and thus the 'law of time' is not so because if it only occurs the same sometimes and not all the time, it is not a law. The only law we do have, and I'm not really sure of this is the law of proceeses, flows.

And when we analyse the material (the natural) we assume it due to its constituent parts. But we ask, what is the timiest fragment of an atom? and we just give up because the mind (also finite) cannot comprehend what infinity.

And it is due to this, I feel, cant prove of course, but feel, that the observed is like the experiment in physics where you allow water to drop and if you put a flashlight upon it and vary the frequency of gaps of 'time' between the luminesence periods then you achive something that appears not to be moving when in fact it is. The same operates everywhere all the time perhaps?

I muddles the lines dots thing up, but the point being imagine a line. Now the dots that constitute this line are themselves made up of even tinier lines (when viewed from a similar size as the dot) and thus what we perceive to be is of course dependent on scale.

The workings of that computer screen are visible because its of similar size to you...and the picture only becomes apparent when you haven't got your face pushed right up against the screen. What then becomes natural and what becomes unnatural depends upon the judgemnt of the observer and his intelligence. But intelligence is like logic...if the end and start are off then the picture may be precise but not necessarily accurate.

There's a whole world, universe and cosmic imagination at our doorsteps. We can choose to sit in the mat of culture or we can stand up and open the unyet unlocked doors. This life doesnt last long. Its up to yous


""No words""

76 Posts / 37M
     :   20yrs   :  
Disenchanted

If you ask me, God does show "himself" to the world. I think God is existance and everything in it, thus we see God every time we open our eyes, even if we don't realize it. The grass is God. Mashed potatoes are God. My grandmothers' corns are God etc.

I'm slightly frustrated in knowing that many people see God as some white-bearded man with a gauze-effect and a list of who's been naughty and who's been nice. Even though it gives them a concept of right and wrong, it's an external one that they accept just to get through a set of imaginary pearly gates. They could be spending their time actually looking inside themselves to find out who they really are and what they think is right.


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2866 Posts / 94M
     :   28yrs   :  
Decius

Define "showing": The collection and observation of some information via our sensory inputs (sight, sound, smell, touch, taste)

Okay, but let's use still air as an example. We do not collect or observe any information via our sensories persay in regards to air... yet we see that it exists in the ability to make it react with things (like blowing up a balloon).

Hence, observation is not limited to the sensory inputs. It also includes observation by deduction, or, by using our uniquely human cerebral cortex.

If observation by deduction is inclusive of "showing", then we re-define "showing" as: The collection and observation of some information via our sensory inputs (sight, sound, smell, touch, taste), and/or the deductions that are extended from these base collections and observations.

Leaving aside all the sensory input observations (since we can all empathize and understand them) lets focus on the deductive observations. Air in a balloon is a simple one. A not so simple one is finding the circumference of a circle. A less simple one is finding the volume of a cone. An even less simple one is finding the maximum volume created by a pyramid using only 100 feet of wood.

Most of us can't immediately answer the previous three questions because they are a more complicated form of observation. But an important (very important) note is that even though we do not know the answer, the answer exists and is there and can be found through adequate deduction. The above examples use mathematics because we can all understand the infallability of math because of the limited number of base observations that go into a more difficult deduction.

What happens to a child when it is raised by homosexual parents is a highly complicated and variable problem. Yet the truth to such a problem exists. Some answers exist only in probability and some in more definite terms. Yet at the deepest roots, everything in this existence is the result of probability... even math.

What I'm getting at is that every observation that is not a base sensory one is one made by deduction. And deductive observations are just as reliable and true (as the example with the balloon shows that air is as real as seeing sunlight or feeling fire). The more distant from our base sensories the deduction gets, the more difficult it is to actually understand the observation. We all know what 1+1 is yet we do not know how to figure out the volume of a sphere as easily. This is because 1+1 is extremely local to our sensory inputs (we can see and even count two objects at any given time to deduce the answer).

If we can all humbly agree that there are mathematical problems out there that would take us years to solve (as there certainly are and have been numerous mathematical problems that took mathematicians years and years to solve), I'm pretty sure we can all humbly agree that to observe God we would have to deduce a whole hell of a lot for a very long time.

If God showed himself to us via the senses, it would make us understand him similar to how we would understand the volume of a cone by buying an ice cream cone.

We see the cone and see that there is volume in there, but do not have any knowledge about it... hence, we do not actually see or know or understand the cone. We're almost oblivious to its existence because we know almost nothing about it.

Hence, if God were to present himself or herself to us, it would take a lot of observation and deduction to actually understand what we are seeing.

It is almost as if if we begun to understood everything around us and deducted more and more and more, our eyes would focus, our ears and nose and our hands would begin to recognize the pattern of "God" in everything around us.

So, in conclusion, this all means that we can assume that God is showing himself to us because even if he wasn't, we wouldn't know the difference.

Just like if we saw a box that looked like a box we would conclude it's a box. But what if it was a special box that was perfectly shaped and formed and equal in every dimension. What if it was so precisely equal that no human on the planet could have possibly created it, not even with the finest laser. That would be proof of something otherworldly, right?

But we'd never know cause we'd just think it's a box.

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The most important thing to know is that observations made via the senses are not reliable for we forget them over time.

Observations via deduction become knowledge. They never expire, and as time continues they do not compress or dissolve.

If we were to observe God before us via our senses, as time progressed we would invalidate and even forget.

If we observe God via deduction, that knowledge can never be taken away from us, even if we wish it to.

It is beautiful, in a sense, that through this line of thinking we now know that God does not want us to see him temporarily. He only presents himself to us in an infallable and unforgettable way: through knowledge.


"Hating everyone protects me from elitism."

76 Posts / 37M
     :   20yrs   :  
Disenchanted

Dude... you just blew my mind.

I find this whole human being thing very frustrating, in a "ramming our heads against a brick wall" sort of way. We know that we're limited in terms of what our conscious mind and senses will allow us to experience and comprehend, but we also have to deal with knowing that our consciousness is, very likely, merely a mosquito bite on the ass of infinity...

Alas, just smart enough to know we ain't got a clue.


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