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If god exist why doesn't he show himself to the world?

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79 Posts / 7M
     :   24yrs   :  
allimar

Hm… my apologies I went on a tangent on that one.
I agree with you everyone has there own perspective in understanding or experiencing the world at large.

The focus of my reply was in regards to what you said stating, “I wish people who do not believe in any God wouldn't keep telling people who do to have an open mind and yet be so closed minded themselves.” Suggesting people who don’t believe in God are close minded and those who do believe in god are open.

This in turn I interpreted that you were religious, and are open minded because of it. Where as at the same time deducing that everyone who isn’t religious or believers were close minded.

Maybe because they didn’t open there mind to the idea God exists and created the world in 7 days rather then a series of quantum events caused a chain reaction to produce a massive (or maybe insignificant) amount of hydrogen, that would be the building blocks of what we have today like all scientific evidence points too.

Regardless, I’m envious. I see people who are evangelical and are so happy. They are so sure of themselves whether they are right or wrong they don’t care. They simply believe, where I on the other hand have to look at every thing I do and say could be incorrect. I have to leave room for error and make sure I don’t lock myself down with what I think is true but could be false.

To me that’s what being open minded is. What’s your opinion on what it means to be open minded? Only to one particular answer and you try to find every reason or evidence to support that? Or study what we have and the possibilities that the evidence leads too?


""Live to become, not aquire" Kenneth R Bowles"

740 Posts / 25M
     :   35yrs   :  
Sorceress

To me being open minded is exactly that, open to any possibility and questioning everything you possibly can question, looking at everybodiy's points of view and saying
"its possible!". If yu find something yourself to prove to you personally that its not possible then you can say that until you find another peice of evidence that proves otherwise that thing is not possible in your eyes.

I'm probally waffling but what I'm trying to say is that everybody has an opinion, an idea, a theory and all theories are possibilities until you find proof positive to the contrary and even if you do find proof to the contrary, someone might come along at a later date with more conflicting proof (even though one person's proof isn't always another's.

Rather than saying I don't believe anything until I have proof, I say I'll believe anything is possible, show me what you have on the matter and I'll look into it.


""Each child holds the world in an open hand to mould it into any shape they choose.""

79 Posts / 7M
     :   24yrs   :  
allimar

"Rather than saying I don't believe anything until I have proof, I say I'll believe anything is possible, show me what you have on the matter and I'll look into it."

So... you believe in the big bang and string theory then. And are an Agnostic to allow yourself to look at everything rather then centering your beliefs on any one thing. Because so far those have the most supporting, “Proof” in regards to the universe in general.

The only proof any religion has is a group of people agreeing to the same thing in regards to what happens after they die or explaining something they don’t understand.


""Live to become, not aquire" Kenneth R Bowles"

343 Posts / 46M
     :   19yrs   :  
her

If God existed why would it have to hide behind stupid 'signs' and miracles, its about fucking time it stepped down from its throne in the sky and took responsibilty for the mess its ego created, but then again, thats only if, if not, nothing changes, we're left to deal with our own problems.

If God existed, then we wouldnt be argueing over it, we would know, it could atleast send a text message, after so many many years, after so many discussions, after so many debates, so many battles, so much fallen blood, we are still asking if this useless figment of our imagination exists.
Why?
What is the point in asking?
Do we even need him?
Where is Allah? Where is Yehwa?
We ask is God there.. why?
So it can help us? So it can embrace us? comfort us? give us meaning to our life?

Just face it everyone, we have no assigned meaning, no specific purpose, choose your own.

I believed up until recently the purpose of my existance, of my confusing, painful, complicated life was to spread the message of Allah, but now I see how silly I was, why would a God, any god, create a human being, put her in a huge confusing world and then expect them get it right.
Lets say God did create us, so why allow religions to emerge, and spread, and new ideologies and confusing dogmas, and political ideologies that opppose religion, if IT wanted us all to be christians or muslims or pinapple shagging fairies, why allow the diversity?


God doesnt exist, the way the toothfairy doesnt. And whats my proof? The fact that there is none to prove it. That is enough for me.

The diversity of the human race, the different languages, cultures, values, is a proof that God does not exist to me because the religions that preach his existance are not so welcoming of diversity, they all want the whole world to somehow change to the culture from which that religion emerged.

If God existed, honestly...

after more than 2000 years we are still saying if.
We have no need for him, so even if he did exist, who cares, alot of good hes doing working behind doors and teaching us 'lessons' through our pain.


"I have nothing to be proud of today but hopefully tomorrow I will."

740 Posts / 25M
     :   35yrs   :  
Sorceress

I thought this was quite a nice little point to be made so I have included it here. This is not my belief but an interesting point none the less.




""Each child holds the world in an open hand to mould it into any shape they choose.""

79 Posts / 7M
     :   24yrs   :  
allimar

You know how religion is discovered?
Word of mouth and the religious books/ teachings, word of mouth, by other people.

You know how science is discovered?
Observation and intelligence.


""Live to become, not aquire" Kenneth R Bowles"

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3000 Posts / 62M
     :   25yrs   :  
Wyote

On that note, this is an entirely observable explanation. Those who wish to adopt the philosophies of Ken Wilber and connect all the dots with what he says here should be satisfied.




"I am Akba-Atatdia"

315 Posts / 17M
     :   18yrs   :  
CrypticTruth

Why doesn’t god show himself to us simply, because there is no go we are all gods.

There is no one god, we are the creators.

Simply put we have proof

i know what can be proven and until some one can show me that one god exists with logical and scientific proof I will stick to my belief that there is no god.


""Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth" -oscar wilde"

33 Posts / 4M
     :   13yrs   :  
Mr.T

god doesnt have to show himself to be there cuz hes all around everyone tryin to bless everyone with the word of his existance


"Yesterdays History Tomorrows a Mystery"

33 Posts / 4M
     :   13yrs   :  
Mr.T

and cryptic i disagree with you cuz all of the proof we got is in the bible and if you dont agree than what religion are you or are you an atheist


"Yesterdays History Tomorrows a Mystery"

315 Posts / 17M
     :   18yrs   :  
CrypticTruth

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god doesn’t have to show himself to be there cuz hes all around everyone tryin to bless everyone with the word of his existance


If god is present all around us why do terrible things happen to people? Why there is war and famine. Why doesn’t he stop the religious war being fought in his name?

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all of the proof we got is in the bible



The Bible contains many stories that contradict each other. Have you actually read the bible? Do you actually believe every word written?

For example;

Noah’ Ark

God also instructed Noah to bring into the ark two of all living creatures, male and female, along with every kind of food to be stored as food for the animals and his family while on the ark. Noah obeyed everything God commanded him to do.

These stories could not happen scientifically. Noah has to gather all living creature there are millions of creature that is not humanly possible. Do you think you could gather every living creature if got told you to? It’s just hard for me to stories in the bible. I do think they have meaning behind them such as morals ext… but other than that I just can’t say they prove there is a god.

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if you dont agree than what religion are you or are you an atheist


I would consider myself agnostic.


""Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth" -oscar wilde"

190 Posts / 16M
     :   18yrs   :  
zachfrenzel

I know your young but the sooner you hear this the better off you will be. I"m not going to baby you, your old enough to understand the world.

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"god doesnt have to show himself to be there cuz hes all around everyone tryin to bless everyone with the word of his existance"

Why run around the mountain when you can go through the valley. If god did appear don't you think that it would kind of solve this entire argument and all the worlds problems but he doesn't. Mostly because he doesn't exist.

Next time you would like to talk about imaginary friends why don't you turn on the T.V. because its taught you everything you know and watch fosters because i value your opinion just as must as do blues. Meaning sure its cute but holds as much weight as lead in water.


"Be careful what you pretend to be because you are what you pretend to be. So it goes. - Vonnegut"

33 Posts / 4M
     :   13yrs   :  
Mr.T

well becuz god doesnt have all control the devil can take over to with his demons


"Yesterdays History Tomorrows a Mystery"

315 Posts / 17M
     :   18yrs   :  
CrypticTruth

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well becuz god doesnt have all control


It is certainly true that nothing occurs in the world unless the Lord knows about it. He is omnipresent. He knows all things (1 John 3:20).

It seems as if you have not done your reading god is omnipotent. He does in fact have all control.

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the devil can take over to with his demons


Did you know he created Satan?

God knew he would fall and rebel against him, so why did he create Satan?



""Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth" -oscar wilde"

33 Posts / 4M
     :   13yrs   :  
Mr.T

satan was created by god but god only knows what will happen in our life satan was never a human to begin with and guess what ive learned somthin the bible has never been misproven and it has been proven to be true because we have found stuff it says exists and people are still tryin to misprove it and guess what not gonna happen


"Yesterdays History Tomorrows a Mystery"

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