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If god exist why doesn't he show himself to the world?

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99 Posts / 14M
     :   31yrs   :  
doom123

im sorry but i think this question is stupid only because its unanswerable. with religion i believe everything is skepticism, we really have no idea what the hell is going on. So then how do we know that god isn't showing himself to us now. we hold ourselves too highly. we see god all around us maybe. i personally believe that all we are experiencing is subjective. everything around us is a false reality formed by the Godhead in effort to disguise the true evil existence at the core everything. i believe that the reason everything is evil in its core existence is because the creating god, the Demiurge is insane and demented.


"if life has no point whats the point in talking about it?"

343 Posts / 46M
     :   19yrs   :  
her

From the islamic prospective:

This life is a test. God put man on Earth to see how he would behave with his free will, whether he would use his 'common sense', his intellect and aql to work out that there is a God and also to work out that ISLAM IS the one true path to God. If God showed himself well then there would be no test and it would be too easy. So muslims will tell you that God has manifisted himself through his creation, this means that if you want to see God, or see proof of his Existance then look to the world and its beauty and you will have to admit that there is a God. Hmm, well one could argue...


"I have nothing to be proud of today but hopefully tomorrow I will."

79 Posts / 7M
     :   24yrs   :  
allimar


Searching for the right religious forum I believe this would be the best one to tell my findings.
The following site appears to be a good neutral view of the world at large. Tackling topics, issues and religion in calm collective strides from the standpoint of a student.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/reltrue.htm


This article in its self was a solid perspective of what we as a whole believe to be, “right”
The only way I have been able to describe what the right religion was a simple tail of two tribes, Water and Fire.

The water tribe is peaceful, they fish, farm, and gather. Whatever it is they believe, they agree that they are the true religion.
The fire tribe is war like, they hunt and gather. Whatever it is they believe, they agree that they are the true religion.

One day, the fire tribe gathers its hunting tools for war, prepares hunting tactics to take out the water tribe so they can have more land uncontested. After the slaughter, the fire tribe prevails. And now, whatever it is they believe, they agree that they are the true religion. And whatever it was the water tribe believed in, may as well never existed.

Science and Math are the only two studies I could see as being self evident. Because one day, should all humans die, that is all that will be left.


""Live to become, not aquire" Kenneth R Bowles"

99 Posts / 14M
     :   31yrs   :  
doom123

science and math are intangible things, they are ideas (some believed to be facts) but they are stored in our minds. (also on sheets of paper and in machines, but these are all inanimate.) But, nevertheless, if humans extinct, there would be no science or math. so, allimar, i disagree. but, i may have misunderstood your post. will you elaborate, or rebuttal?


"if life has no point whats the point in talking about it?"

79 Posts / 7M
     :   24yrs   :  
allimar

I’m going off the notion that math and science is the universal language for any intelligent life out there in the universe. No matter where you go, knowing both these fields will be what ultimately determines are capabilities and odds of survival.

I will believe them to be facts, for the simple reason that no matter what language you speak 2 apples are in fact, 2 apples. Math (2) and science (apples). Even to an alien species they would call them 2 apples (unless you want to get silly and call them by chemical compounds and all that nonsense)

Science isn’t something in the minds of humans as even the sun is using science. Its not sentient or living in how we consider a living breathing creature, but its still applied science.


""Live to become, not aquire" Kenneth R Bowles"

22 Posts / 6M
     :   46yrs   :  
Manegorus

Perhaps he/she/it does, but we don't recognize "Him." Perhaps if we lose all our preconceptions about what "God" is, we will discover that "He" was there all along.


"Cogito, ergo doleo."

740 Posts / 25M
     :   35yrs   :  
Sorceress

I think the idea of maths being the universal language of God is the right idea. Patterns in nature are mathematical so that would be how you could see God being revealed through creation. DNA is the ultimate language of creation, how much information do you think is stored there? Maybe we just need to listen to the natural world to hear God! I know that sounds a bit new age but well what age is going to look deep into the heart of life and see truth was staring us in the face the whole time!


""Each child holds the world in an open hand to mould it into any shape they choose.""

740 Posts / 25M
     :   35yrs   :  
Sorceress




""Each child holds the world in an open hand to mould it into any shape they choose.""

3 Posts / 6M
     :   43yrs   :  
Cemore Clearly

If frogs had wings they would not bump their butts when they take off.

I guess he does not exist and thank god he does not.

Now was there a force that caused all creation to come into existance? Yes

That force is everywhere so it is revealed right now before your very eyes and it is called the Tao and cannot be explained.


"It could be better and could be worse"

22 Posts / 6M
     :   46yrs   :  
Manegorus

Whether or not "God" exists depends on what you think "God" is. That "force" you speak of is "God." We all see it, and we all know it exists, we simply disagree on perceptions of what, exactly, "God" really is...Some call it "Yahweh" or "Jehovah," others call it "Tao" or "Brahman," or just "nature." Some speculate about what "powers" this force might have, and how it relates to us. We differ only in our beliefs regarding this "force."


"Cogito, ergo doleo."

740 Posts / 25M
     :   35yrs   :  
Sorceress

I agree. God to me is the most powerful force that ever existed and is the creative force behind the whole universe. Just like any force we can't see God therefore we question whether there is such a thing, but I truly believe that at some level we are able in our deepest selves to recognise the force that I call God and may even be able to tap into that power through prayer and meditation, using those intuitive parts of our brain.

What shape God takes on will completely depend on one's own social, cultural and personal belief systems. That is the systems of knowledge or knowledge base that a person has been surrounded by during their lifetime.


""Each child holds the world in an open hand to mould it into any shape they choose.""

2203 Posts / 67M
     :   49yrs   :  
okcitykid

What IF God is not a person who could show himself to the world?

What IF God is evil and stands above us all laughing his ass off hiding in the clouds somewhere.

What IF there is no God and all things created appeared by accident.

Imagine if we spent our time studying just facts and not waste our time on "What IF"


"A fool says I know and a wise man says I wonder."

740 Posts / 25M
     :   35yrs   :  
Sorceress

What if you accept the fact that some people in this world have a concept of God. You carry on looking at the facts as you see them and you don't see a God anywhere in your picture of reality. I however also look at the facts and I do see a God in my concept of reality.

Absolutely every single person on this planet ia an individual with their own perception of the world around them. I wish people who do not believe in any God wouldn't keep telling people who do to have an open mind and yet be so closed minded themselves.

I cannot see the world through your eyes only mine.

What if you open your eyes that bit wider and see that the universe is so complex and so colourful that anything is possible!


""Each child holds the world in an open hand to mould it into any shape they choose.""

79 Posts / 7M
     :   24yrs   :  
allimar

That’s funny how you say people who don’t believe in god, atheists, as you will are closed minded. Well I’m agnostic, from my point of view; those who declare a religion are the ignorant ones.
They are the ones who willingly close there minds off of possibilities. And rather then seeking truth by being scientific and logical, they become in fact fools to believe whatever one particular religion or belief says.

It is the religious that say, "Either it’s all true or false" then they take one or two events that they believe is true and accept it all to be as well.

Ever even of which I attend a church, I’m asked by the preacher, “Why don’t you open your mind? I challenge you this, read the bible and understand it, front to cover.”

Well I have. And here is my challenge to you, “open minded” religious extremists. Attend something else. Soon you will find similarities that will shock you when you see other people pray a different way, or worship in another manner.


""Live to become, not aquire" Kenneth R Bowles"

740 Posts / 25M
     :   35yrs   :  
Sorceress

I said I look at the evidence (that is scientific objective evidence and my own feelings and perceptions which are subjective evidence) and in my personal view of the world being as open minded as I possibly can - I (me in my own head not you) - see God. So don't preach to me about religion! I said nothing about religion I said I see God in my own personal view of the world.


""Each child holds the world in an open hand to mould it into any shape they choose.""

If god exist why doesn't he show himself to the world?
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