If god exist why doesn't he show himself to the world?

Our apparent innability to know everything is false.

I believe that our satisfaction with understanding God and reality is as limited as our capacity to absorb and deduct information. Hence, once we know all that we can, we will have not only reached our deductive limit, but also our limit on how satisfied we can be in this birth.

In other words, whatever we don't know, we know of, and therefore, can deduct and know about. Hence, if fully educated and one with the universe, we will never know of anything we do not already know.

Which all means that if there is a saturation point, we will never even desire or seek to surpass it for we will know what we are supposed to know as humans in this dimension.

"Hating everyone protects me from elitism."

I assume this would take a while!

Though even if we reach the limit of our dimension and are satisfied, wouldn't it be just that - our limit? The knowledge that we are unable to fully comprehend dimensions beyond our own would still exist, even if we had no desire to go further. So still, we would be caged in terms of living in the world of form. Satisfied and at our limit, but said limit still includes the knowledge that more exists beyond it.

We would not know of any dimensions that we can not explore. Our imagination cannot exceed our capacity to achieve.

"Hating everyone protects me from elitism."

I think I agree with your point to an extent, Decius... if we can deduce something can exist, it doesn't mean it must or that we know anything about it.
If we can't possibly know about something, can't prove or reasonably deduce its concrete effects on anything, it can still exist... if there's a point in "knowing" such a thing.
I'll go with Occam's Razor with this: "entities should not be multiplied beyond necessity"; God needs way too many assumptions, for me.
"It is beautiful, in a sense, that through this line of thinking we now know that God does not want us to see him temporarily. He only presents himself to us in an infallable and unforgettable way: through knowledge."
I understand, but remember the same line of thinking allows the solution that God does not exist...or that there's simply something that caused or
influenced the laws of physics, but it doesn't need to be sentient.
What if God doesn't show himself because it doesn't "know" it exists ?
You are also forgetting the possibility that it doesn't "want" to show up, and we "see" it without permission.

heyjime1:
"In fact, the computer that your looking at now is composed of various atoms which will, in and of themselves by about a year all have dissappeared from the computer. Yet the cmputer still maintains a form. "
Please elaborate. All the atoms in your computer can't disappear in a year unless they are extremely unstable elements (wich don't disappear at all, just change into more stable elements...via weak nuclear force if I remember), or you expose it to high-energy plasma (too cold and they'll still be atoms).

Not to be a pedant, since this isn't even my first language, but doesn't the thread title lack an "s" ?

""For every complex problem, there is a solution that is simple, neat, and wrong.""

"Our imagination cannot exceed our capacity to achieve" does not have anything to do with what actually exists in reality. All it implies is that anything we cannot contemplate we cannot explore, and whatever we do we can.

The only thing that begins the entire process of deduction with the assumption that there is a God that exists is that everything natural, including events, time, matter and energy, and all else that we can interact with has within it a sense of order, and within this order is everything bound.

The observation of "God" is the observation of this order on a grand scale, nothing more.

"Hating everyone protects me from elitism."

a little off the topic but..

decius do you believe there is a god?

you know that he gave us freewill.... so we wouldnt be his puppets

that confuses us.. why would he let us choose agianst him? well that just makes the ones who choose to obey him worthy of him..

i just had a thought.. the ones who go to heaven become part of him.. cause if we went to heaven as individuals we would think that it was unfair that he has all the power.. therefore heaven could be becoming god.. knowledge on how to create a universe will be one of the many enlightenments that we will find inside us.. justa theory.. of course we cant relate heaven to our earthly knowledge

""That's only the tip of the iceberg.""

Analytical29, do you think of God as a being with the capability of thought? Also that if our use of the freewill we’ve been given doesn’t suit this God’s supreme standards, we are not worthy of him and are punished? If so I dislike that concept very much. There are certain things in our nature as humans that we don’t have control over (I mean nature versus nurture). So if obeying God means going against our true nature and beliefs (how are we to know if we are ultimately right or wrong?), then what kind of God would give us individuality and free will, and then turn around and punish us for using it?

Although I'm still learning about where I stand in terms of my beliefs on this general topic, I do agree that after physical death we return to God, so to speak. But I think God makes much more sense as the source of all energy, rather than an all-seeing supreme judge. That said, "energy cannot be created or destroyed, only transferred,” so I believe we just return (for lack of knowing a better word) to that "source." We become free of our desires, we no longer feel any form of pain, but also no joy. Just true peace, neutral to everything. Certainly not something we would look forward to immensely right now, because we're alive and we want "heaven" to be a place where we'll be in perpetual ecstasy.

I believe that the fact that we think, that we posess a consciousness unique to ourselves and only knowable by ourselves and ourselves alone is god's way of revealing himself to us, which in many ways may express the idea that we are god. We just haven't discovered ourselves as yet.

"Each conscious mind is alone in the universe!"

I read the computer reference a couple of years ago and can't remember the name of the magazine. Th essence of the story was so state that most of not all of the atoms have gone yet the structure remained the same. I think the period was about a year but thinking about it it must have been longer.

I do remembr something similar though-a claim that all the individual atoms in everything material of your entire body, on average, will have changed themselves over 2.5 years. What this means is that as an 18 year old, materiallistically speaking, you are entirely different to how you are when you are 20.5 years old. However, whilst the form changes the general structure remains the same. There is of curse the flaw that it is gradual change, but nonetheless, the material we know of as the smallest is still not there later, which means that we are 100% different over say three years physically speaking. This at least interesting to scientists-it does not say of course that there are not forces at work though. Thus, we could argue forces such as the weak nuclear force are the only constants. At most, and plausibly, this leads to the idea that ultimately it is a kind of intelligent design that forms the material.

""No words""

wow ok..

but yea disenchanted i like your thoughts..

I dont believe god has the same thought process we have.. cuz we exist in a dimension with TIME and we relate present situations to past or future situations..

im not sure about the punishment question

at times i do wish for eternal peace.. but hey im human and cant help it

""That's only the tip of the iceberg.""

Yep, that's our curse...trapped in linear time and three-dimensional illusion and, thus, constantly preoccupied with material existence--a completely different thought process than god. That's why many eastern religions strive to "transcend" space and time, to transcend ordinary thought process and achieve enlightenment, the mind of god, which is believed to be our true self...Just clarifying.

"Each conscious mind is alone in the universe!"

Although limited by our physical selves I agree with wizardslogic the only true way to ultimately find answers to these kinds of questions one must free the soul/consciousness from the body be it temporary or permanently.

""Veritatem quaere et insaniam inveni""

We see God all the time, we just don't know how to. Once one answers the question 'who am I', you realize what God is. God is our innermost self, you can call God the soul/the source/your true nature, actually it can be said that there is no such thing as God, becuz everything is One. Don't search for the Truth outside of you, look into yourself and you will find more than you ever bargained for.

"I'll heal ur woundz I'll set u free, I m jesus christ on xtacy"

god exists he doesnt have to show himself to the world you have to find him.. PERIOD

""That's only the tip of the iceberg.""

hahaha and computers are evil-'period'.
nywayz, one needs to have a really open mind if you want to know God. To truly understand life and what is the cause and essence of life, beliefs are not enough. I agree with anaylitical that you have to search. Even if you do not beleive in god, you should still search, search for what life is all about, always remaining open to the possibily that there is more to this world than meets the eye.
There is a story about Buddah:
In the forest Buddah was recieving people for queries. A diciple of his was within hearing range. One person came and asked Buddha wheather God really existed. He answered yes. Then another person came and asked him 'God exists doesn't he', to which Buddha replied no! The diciple who had been hearing this was very confused-how could he give two contradictory answers? But then a third person came, and said 'I don't know Wheather God exists or not, please tell me. The buddha withought saying a word told him to sit silently amongst the birds and trees and meditate with him. After a while, the man stood up , silently thanked him and took off! The man who had listend to all of this couldn't hold himself and in a state of great distress went over to Buddha and said apologetically that he had heard the Buddha but how could he give two different answers and the third time no answer? The buddha replied that the first person wanted the buddha to verify his beleifs that God doesn't exist, so to break them he said yes. The second person wanted him to confirm his belief that God existed, so he said no. The third person was the true seeker, who hadn't closed his mind and made deductions on wheather God existed or not. When he sat silently in Buddhas presence, all questions of God went away from his mind, and he realized that wheather God existed or not wasn't important-the important question was whather there is silence or not, wheather there is peace and love

"I'll heal ur woundz I'll set u free, I m jesus christ on xtacy"
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