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210 Posts / 42M
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PeteSmith

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I'm an athiest god doesnt exist.

And you are sure of this? You would need to have infinite knowledge to be sure!


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276 Posts / 38M
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Zato

Petesmith, does Alah exist? Does Buddha exist? Does my own personal God exist? What say you!


"Anything is Possible when you think illogically."

58 Posts / 34M
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Das Kapital

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see thats the problem, people see the negative aspects of religion and what it's doing to the world, and so make up judgments and then close their minds. Not following religion is a quite mature thing to do, not believing in a judgmental god is also a quite mature thing to do-not beleiving in a higher aspect of life, believing the world functions soley on logic and there isn't even a remote possibiltiy od any God-nowthats immature


God cannot be explained through empirical evidence hence I dismiss his validity and deny his existence. As if superstition had any credible claim to the title of "civilized" in theory or practice.


"To wish for death is a coward's part." [Timidi est optare necem.] Ovid"

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2866 Posts / 94M
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Decius

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hence I dismiss his validity and deny his existence


Absolutely illogical. The primary acceptance you will get of any scientist that seeks truth is the acceptance that empirical evidence leads to the most probable theory. To use probable theory to diss-prove something else is absolutely un-scientific.

Our methods of collecting empirical evidence compared to our methods a hundred years from now are similar to how we collected evidence a hundred years ago compared to now. To believe that we know or don't know anything for certain based on empirical evidence is so foolish I have trouble even contemplating it.


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58 Posts / 34M
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Das Kapital

You are welcome to your opinion the fact of the matter is religion in itself is full of contradictions and outrageous claims. Religion is utterly useless in everyday life its promoted by those that cannot accept the validity of rational thought over superstition and irrationality. Faith is not a valid way of reaching a logical conclusion.


"To wish for death is a coward's part." [Timidi est optare necem.] Ovid"

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2866 Posts / 94M
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Decius

God is the issue... not religion.

Faith is nothing more than a less probable theory than science. The reason faith becomes so argumentative is because of the abstract nature of its theories. But even faith has mathematical probabilities attached to it which can provide people with a reasonably sound "religion" to believe in.

Given that all we have is the emperical evidence of our experience, we can only theorize what we know. What we know scietifically we conclude scientifically. What we know less scientifically, we conclude less scientifically.

However, as I said earlier, just as physics has probable theories, so does a faith in God. And these are universal, based on emperical evidence.

One such piece of evidence is the fact that God never permits us to scientifically know he or she exists. This is a fact about God. This leads to two possibilities: He or she does not exist, or the rules are set in a manner where he or she does not permit us to know difinitively that he or she exists.

There are various other pieces of evidence that let us delve further into the probability of whether God exists or not.... and the final theory will be the most probable theory we can come up with.

And it will be as correct as physics... because although physics has more empirical evidence about gravity than we do about God... the nature of both theories is that they are the most probable theories, given the emperical evidence we have thus far.


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210 Posts / 42M
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PeteSmith

The evidence for Gods existance is all around you. The truth of the matter is most people do not want God to be real because it would cause us to have to change the way we live our lives (God focused instead of self focused).

BTW Decius is evolution a science?


""What we do in life echoes in eternity" Maximus"

210 Posts / 42M
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PeteSmith

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Petesmith, does Alah exist? Does Buddha exist? Does my own personal God exist? What say you!


Alah? to be honest I have never met him or seen him. I would probably think not but then I dont know.
Buddha? Yes he existed a long time ago but he was just a man.
Your own personal God? Very probably.

But what I do know is the God of the Bible is real, because I have communion with Him through Jesus Christ. That is real. God said that when we search for the truth with all our hearts, we will find it. God has made us in such a way that we are only made complete when we are in relationship with Him. We have a God shaped hole within us that only God can fill. We can stuff the hole fill with many other things but only God will truly satisfy!

So how can you be sure that God doesn't exist?


""What we do in life echoes in eternity" Maximus"

276 Posts / 38M
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Zato

First off, if you are christian you don't seem to be very sure that your God is the "only" God. If you follow the bible you "should" "know" there is no other God.

There is no way to be certain that there is no God. But I choose to keep my status of "N/A". There is how many religions in the world who all claim to have the one and ONLY true God creator. If there is a God I think he has done a terrible job of not playing favorites in the world and is a far more cruel being than any human I have met in my life. The concept of hell is ridiculous. W/e.


"Anything is Possible when you think illogically."

276 Posts / 38M
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Zato

Petesmith:
"The evidence for Gods existance is all around you."

I think that many would be upset and unfairly charged of crimes they didn't commit with your definition of evidence.


"Anything is Possible when you think illogically."

58 Posts / 34M
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Das Kapital

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The evidence for Gods existance is all around you. The truth of the matter is most people do not want God to be real because it would cause us to have to change the way we live our lives (God focused instead of self focused).


What evidence statements like that dont hold any weight with me. Your not one of those creationist nuts are you?.


"To wish for death is a coward's part." [Timidi est optare necem.] Ovid"

210 Posts / 42M
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PeteSmith

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Your not one of those creationist nuts are you?

I assume by this statement you are an evolutionist?


""What we do in life echoes in eternity" Maximus"

210 Posts / 42M
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PeteSmith

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First off, if you are christian you don't seem to be very sure that your God is the "only" God. If you follow the bible you "should" "know" there is no other God

What I believe you are asking me was what proof do I have that there is only one God. Do I have proof of this that I can present to you? No I dont. But I do believe that the God of the Bible is the one TRUE God. There are many gods in this world. Hell you can worship the devil as a god if you want. You can even worship a football star as a god.

You might not like the doctrine of hell (actually I dont either) but it doesnt make it anyless true. Not liking something is not proof of somethings non existance. Could you supply some proof that God doesnt exist.

As I said in some other post, most athiests are really agnostics.


""What we do in life echoes in eternity" Maximus"

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Decius

PeterSmith: In response to your first response - your error in responding is that I was addressing scientific proof of physics versus God and how they can both be proven using emperical evidence. Your communications with God cannot be considered emperical evidence unless you can show me and others what these communications are like, and also prove to me that it is God you are speaking to. For example, if you are speaking to God, then tell me what I am doing right now as I type this. You cannot tell me. Hence, you have no real emperical evidence that you are speaking to God.

This does not mean that you are not speaking to God. This means your communications cannot be used as a basis for probability for you or anyone else.

Zato - Very correct. If you are a Christian knowing God is not enough. You must know that all other Gods are false. However, you must also remember that although it seems like all religions believe their God is the one and only God, the only real religions that believe that are Islam and Christianity. The reason it seems like a lot of them believe that is that these two religions have monopolized the religious wars of the globe in our history. But widespread religions such as Buddhism and Hinduism (which have been around about double as long as either Islam or Christianity) do not believe in one irrefutable entity. Hence, there is a such thing as open minded religion.

Petersmith: Evolution is a scientific theory. It certainly seems true given what we know thus far. However, I understand that there are genetic properties of certain bacteria (including the information passed in DNA) that does not hold true of evolution. In this regard, intelligent design is also a possible theory that can co-exist with evolution.

But evolution is an extremely well proven theory and I readily accept it as the truth since the emperical evidence is overwhelmind.


"Hating everyone protects me from elitism."

58 Posts / 34M
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Das Kapital

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I assume by this statement you are an evolutionist?



Yes among other things.


"To wish for death is a coward's part." [Timidi est optare necem.] Ovid"

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