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what's the logic in x dying for our sins?

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etherealmeekle

quote:
Faith is not needed though to know that the fire will burn you.


Actually it is Faith is defined first as "complete trust or confidence" you cannot KNOW that the fire will burn unless you have faith. Otherwise you may try to put your hand in sometimes because you may not get burned.


"Speak out, even if what you have to say is unpopular"

1687 Posts / 40M
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awakendwraith

anything is possible


"Wht cry for those that often cry? Instead, help them smile, and smile for those that smile."

276 Posts / 38M
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Zato

quote:
faith ( P ) Pronunciation Key (fth)
n.
Confident belief in the truth, value, or trustworthiness of a person, idea, or thing.
Belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence. See Synonyms at belief. See Synonyms at trust.
Loyalty to a person or thing; allegiance: keeping faith with one's supporters.
often Faith Christianity. The theological virtue defined as secure belief in God and a trusting acceptance of God's will.
The body of dogma of a religion: the Muslim faith.
A set of principles or beliefs.




"Belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence."

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=faith


"Anything is Possible when you think illogically."

1347 Posts / 42M
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etherealmeekle

As defined but what dictionary?

quote:
faith

• noun 1 complete trust or confidence. 2 strong belief in a religion. 3 a system of religious belief.

— ORIGIN Old French feid, from Latin fides.



http://www.askoxford.com/concise_oed/faith?view=uk


"Speak out, even if what you have to say is unpopular"

1347 Posts / 42M
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etherealmeekle

quote:
Confident belief in the truth,


First definition.


"Speak out, even if what you have to say is unpopular"

276 Posts / 38M
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Zato

Well then if your going by first definition then looky! lol

quote:
truth ( P ) Pronunciation Key (trth)
n. pl. truths (trthz, trths)
Conformity to fact or actuality.
A statement proven to be or accepted as true.
Sincerity; integrity.
Fidelity to an original or standard.

Reality; actuality.
often Truth That which is considered to be the supreme reality and to have the ultimate meaning and value of existence.


http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=Truth

"Conformity to fact or actuality. " Fact!


"Anything is Possible when you think illogically."

276 Posts / 38M
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Zato

You this will just go in circles...lol


"Anything is Possible when you think illogically."

276 Posts / 38M
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Zato

And by definition then it is possible to KNOW your hand will burn in a flame.

quote:
know ( P ) Pronunciation Key (n)
v. knew, (n, ny) known, (nn) know·ing, knows
v. tr.
To perceive directly; grasp in the mind with clarity or certainty.
To regard as true beyond doubt: I know she won't fail.
To have a practical understanding of, as through experience; be skilled in: knows how to cook.
To have fixed in the mind: knows her Latin verbs.
To have experience of: “a black stubble that had known no razor” (William Faulkner).

To perceive as familiar; recognize: I know that face.
To be acquainted with: He doesn't know his neighbors.
To be able to distinguish; recognize as distinct: knows right from wrong.
To discern the character or nature of: knew him for a liar.
Archaic. To have sexual intercourse with.



Note: The first definition.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=Know

"To perceive directly" Perception is to experience though the 5 senses. aka Factual.


"Anything is Possible when you think illogically."

1347 Posts / 42M
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etherealmeekle

quote:
And by definition then it is possible to KNOW your hand will burn in a flame


Then knowledge is possible and your theory is wrong.


"Speak out, even if what you have to say is unpopular"

276 Posts / 38M
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Zato

quote:
Then knowledge is possible and your theory is wrong.


It is hard to grasp. Kind of crazy sounding too.
Think about it for a second... Anything... is possible!
It is possible to know something.
It is possible for everyone to know nothing.
Anything.


"Anything is Possible when you think illogically."

276 Posts / 38M
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Zato

Yes it is possible I am a monkey smashing on the keyboard and hitting all these letters in perfect sequence.
And yes it is possible that my whole theory is wrong.
lol When you look at life this way it can cause alot of headaches.


"Anything is Possible when you think illogically."

1347 Posts / 42M
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etherealmeekle

Not everything is possible though. Because to believe that you must have certain knowledge that it is true.


"Speak out, even if what you have to say is unpopular"

1687 Posts / 40M
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awakendwraith

GET THIS BACK ON TOPIC.


"Wht cry for those that often cry? Instead, help them smile, and smile for those that smile."

1347 Posts / 42M
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etherealmeekle

Awakend how do you know we aren't on topic if anything is possible?


"Speak out, even if what you have to say is unpopular"

1687 Posts / 40M
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awakendwraith

fine. i'll do it. you guys apperently are not smart enough.

any thing is possible. that means it is all possible that the reasons the bible give for jesus dying are real. that also means they could be wrong.


"Wht cry for those that often cry? Instead, help them smile, and smile for those that smile."

what's the logic in x dying for our sins?
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