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people that lose faith

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 34yrs • M
A CTL of 1 means that mutnuaq is a contributing member of Captain Cynic.
people that lose faith
People will lose their faith in a god they believed in deep down inside themselves for years when they see/experience disasters like the quake in Haiti. Bad things do happen all the time but the earth moves sometimes and when creatures live under structures that can collapse and kill them when it does move that will happen. It's the same thing as when driving a car on the road you always run the risk of dieing at any second. That probability will always be there for everyone whether god existed or not. It's just bad luck. On the flip side look at how helpful and kind our country and others around the world are, we Immediately are responding and sending lots of aid to them as fast as possible. If you are losing faith simply because your outlook on life was once good cause that's all you've experienced and now your existence is bad it doesn't mean there still isn't good. You see it all around right now as we speak people just instantly want to help as much as possible any time something really bad like this happens. That's what our country the United States of America was founded on. That's why they say one country under God. They are saying one country under goodness. Christians and athiests should never debate over God's power over our country because our founders knew way back then that they wanted religious freedom and saying GOD IS GOD and if you don't believe then you are bad. That isn't what one country under God meant to them. They believed it meant one country under the goodness and eternal life of that belief that you will live a good christian life. A Christian life isn't considered anything bad and anyone would agree that love thy neighbor and the teachings of Jesus' words on peace and prosperity are pretty good and that's the norm for behavior in the western world, same with all other religions that practice peace. I hope people around the world start looking at the good examples of our countries behavior like our response to this disaster, like our response to world war 1 and 2 but that's a whole other issue. We shouldn't have such a divide over religion. We are one people who as long as behave as decent good people then their way of showing it or why they do it shouldn't matter. God wants you to be good. The establishment wants you to worship him. Jesus said so himself in the bible that is the foundation of the religion. It's similar to how we are treating our constitution. Just ignoring it and making up our rules. Rules and things that were specifically said to never happen. Jesus doesn't want you to pay any money to him. He want's you to behave the way everyone deep down is born with knowing how to do. When something bad happens those are the times that define you as a person. It means nothing to be "good" when you are getting absolutely everything your way. It's in times of peril and hopelessness that defines you. How you live AFTER life has turned it's back on you determines the kind of person you really are. If you never have the opportunity to prove to yourself that you really are that way then you can never know. When you turn your back on the one thing you held on to for years you turn your back on who you were as well. You aren't the good person you thought you were, if you choose not to believe in God it should simply be because you thought it through and it doesn't seem logical to you. If you don't believe then don't but if you do don't give up like a weak coward. Stand strong and prove to yourself who you are. Don't allow yourself to give in to weakness and become something you weren't. Stay true to yourself, or maybe deep down you are really a selfish coward but even if that's the case you can choose to be anything you want. It all depends on your actions. God gave you free will. Or if you are a non believer you simply have free will. But only if you choose to use it. Otherwise you are just a reflection of the world and it's current state. You have to either way accept that this isn't your world. We don't own any of it. God/nature/the elements<literal elements that make up everything like gold ext.> whatever you wanna call it. No matter what your beliefs then end goal always has to be the preservation of a free decent good people. When you make decisions about god being selfish and choosing hate over love will always lead to your destruction. You reap what you sow. That's just one of many basic facts in the bible that are actually true and very wise knowledge.

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"334jui8"
 33yrs • M
A CTL of 1 means that awakendwraith is a contributing member of Captain Cynic.
"People will lose their faith in a god they believed in deep down inside themselves for years"

Is it more logical that most people do this, or that they never really thought about it and just said it.

How many people do you know that say they turn the channel when a tv show tells them how science makes more sense?

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"Why cry for those that often cry? Instead, help them smile, and smile for those that smile."
 34yrs • M
A CTL of 1 means that mutnuaq is a contributing member of Captain Cynic.
Science is the understanding of the world that god created. There isn't a separation of the two.
http://www.spaceandmotion.com/albert-einstein-god-religion-theology.htm


http://atheism.about.com/library/quotes/bl_q_SHawking.htm

People that MADE science that were so smart they formed our understanding of how things really work. Just some quotes of theirs on religion.

People don't like god because he left them to the fate of the universe. There is nothing illogical about the notion of something creating the universe. All science can ever do is understand the world that has been created. If it had been created which as we all know things can be created.

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"334jui8"
 34yrs • M
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People are basically nothing more than this on a grand scale.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0Soltmruis&feature=related
Thats from a little bit of water.

Now image or look at a little bit of liquid in a glass. Just looks like liquid absolutely nothing important going on in it. Until you zoom in.

Here now look at this.
http://www.terrafly.com/

just abunch of green with nothing important.

The larger and grander scale you use the more insignificant you become and when christians realize how small they are and their true place in the universe they forget to humble themselves and accept their situation and lash out and work on fear instead of acceptance and love. As a christian would say.

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"334jui8"
 43yrs • M
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A problem I often feel I see is that people bicker over a definition of god and god's intentions or rules.

The biggest religious arguments I'm familiar with are over minutia, like other arguments.

They try to define something that is beyond them and become unsatisfied on so many levels. Such as their own definition and others' interpretations.

Its unfortunate because all religion and science, espescially these days thankfully, at their core are in agreement, whether those who work in and "believe" in these fields understand it or not. Which is the unfortunate part.

We don't know why, how, or by whoms means we exist. But that we do, and that we did not create ourselves. At least not as anything less than part of the creator whole that is.

Defining that ocurrance, process, and the intentions of the "entity" behind them, or the "entity" itself, is the folly.

Knowing even intuitively that possitivity, or at worst, balance of possitivy and negativity are the key, is but common sense.

A profoundly liberating bit of information is that we, along with all existance, are but energy, conscious energy, the conscious part being the ultimate enigma.

But some points being that life and death as we commonly understand them are not finite or negative in the brevity of their stages.

Happiness, sadness, life, and death are not ultimatums on which to judge eternity. But stepping stones and variations from which to experience life and existance from futher which to expand and grow.

I feel extreme sorrow for those who limit their perceptions of reality with religious or scientific dogma to such common restrictive "beliefs" that hinder our collective ability to truly progress.

I personally often speak boldy and loudly of my understandings and feelings, but not in dictatorial authority, but in honest expression of my experience and understanding so as to elicit response from the collective and receive further information from which to grow a perspective that is not a stagnent idea from which I draw faith.

My faith is in my knowledge that ther is great understandings and powers of will, but also that there is great mystery, knowledge, and purpose, yet to be discovered, and or, created.

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"The Greatest Enemy of Knowledge is Not Ignorance, It is the ILLUSION of Knowledge. Stephen Hawking"
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