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Chance Theory of Evolution

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 44yrs • M •
A CTL of 1 means that Black Gold is a contributing member of Captain Cynic.
Chance Theory of Evolution
This is one possible explanation for evolution, only one way it may have happened...

I believe you may be familiar with the idea that when the Universe was born, a whole load of stuff was chucked together, and we ended up with sub-atomic particles, particles and eventually complex combinations of particles...
Some have even put forward the idea that, random as this process is, that something incredibly complex like a computer could have been naturally formed by this random process of creation...

The reason this is so far out, is that statistically this is incredibly (infinitely) improbable...
More likely things began with much, much more simple creations...

Where things may have started for life, may have been with (at least) one random configuration, that was considered self-propagating... It may have required something also incredibly rare (but perhaps not to the level of a computer suddenly coming to be)...

But once life has started, all you need is some sort of further creation, where something that already exists is acted upon until it goes through a change, perhaps a step in evolution...

This may not have everything to do with evolution based on choices in life exclusively (like the fish wanting to go on land, and over time grew things we call 'legs'. But possibly, being altered by the environment (large and small)...

So if we're lucky, we may go through further opportune evolution, and avoid any inopportune evolution... But chances are, we may not be done evolving yet... I guess to get some kind of idea, you could start simply by thinking about numbers, and whether there could some perfect form (and in this you may like to consider bio-diversity...)

Any thoughts?

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"There is no negative one..."
 56yrs • M •
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Evolution is a process by which animal and plant specie adapt to new environments in a constant search of food and shelter from predators.

Mountain goats are a perfect example. As those that showed the best evolutionary changes, over many generations, adapted to their surroundings. They then passed that successful strain on to their offpring. Better balance, of course, and leather pads in place of hard hoofs.

The very recent explosion of dog species is another example, though of course influenced by humans. Prior to the Victorian Age, there were only five types of dogs. Now, the number of species numbers in the hundreds.

When a specie reaches an ideal location and an ideal adpatation, they cease to evolve. Sharks and crocodiles are a perfect example of this.

Also, this "improbrably" that you mentioned is not so "improbrably" when you consider the sheer scope of the Universe. "Improbrably" turns into a question of "how many times in how many places".

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 37yrs • M •
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I don't agree with the term, adapted, to the environment. Evolution appears to not be the striving for a species to reproduce offspring and some how dictate them to be more efficient or superior. But more of random mutations that have higher odds of survival.

Example
There is a genetic trait for a human to have 6 fingers and toes. say out of a population of 5,000 humans there is only one person to be born with this anomaly. But it's really attractive and that individual mates... A LOT
Well say this is a dominate trait and a higher portion of the next generation has this new trait. Eventually (after many generations) the majority of the population now has 6 fingers and toes on each limb.

Now lets add in more mutations that could occur.
Decorative spots
No facial/ Body hair
Longer tongues, more sensitive to taste and smell
Higher oxygen efficiency
Color changing eyes
Larger, for fun, pointy ears
Sharper features
Longer legs
Fond of eating a particular plant
Longer lifespan

We could only imaging what group B looks like over the same period of generations

Pailer skin
3 fingers 1 thumb on each hand
No body hair
Flat facial features
Physically weakest were constantly killed off early
Solid black eyes
Smaller ears
Shorter

Now were saying this particular group of humans has a pretty unstable DNA strand. It mutates a great deal. Some species may be dead set on what they have and quite simply don't need to mutate, or it's beneficial to not mutate.

Either way, if the trait isn't there (say ability to breath water) its not going to simply appear unless it's a stroke of luck mutation something else factors in (like genetic engineering)

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"The more you learn, the less you know."
 56yrs • M •
A CTL of 1 means that NATuralMan is a contributing member of Captain Cynic.
allmir...

Your premises are flawed by one distict fact.

All higher life on the planet shares certain characteristics of bone structure and organs.

Why?

One, we have all evolved from a basic construction, this contruction being most suited for the most environments. A fish's fins, birdss wings, deer's legs, and human hands all share the same basic skeletal construction, for example.

Also, there is a recent archeological discovery in Poui, in New Zealand, which shows that, within a handful of generations the ancient inhabitants of this small island chain adapted to their environment, becoming childlike in height and stature, while their teeth, the last thing to evolve in any mamalian species, remained the size of the average adult.

Another basic fact also belies your theory as well. If evolution was a question of sporadic mutations, we would be seeing much more examples of radical species. Six legged horses, birds with dragonfly like four wings, etc.

These exampels of radical mutations simply do not exist.

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 37yrs • M •
A CTL of 1 means that allimar is a contributing member of Captain Cynic.
The only explanation I could have for that is what I would call a stable DNA. Certain elements or actions can increases the change of mutation in the DNA, such as radiation to drugs the parents take during contraception. Many unknown elements can cause this.

Im using the bone structure and organs to support my theory. Lets imagine that we have fewer organs. Take out the heart, and add that characteristic to pump blood by the act of breathing. So the lungs are now the heart and lungs. Just one example that comes to mind.

I see what you mean about the different species, but successful mutations don't seem to occur in nature. With birds the best example would have to be the different beaks. Man is currently controlling the evolution. Now were seeing race horses with weaker bone structure that makes them lighter but faster for racing.

If you want radically different then look at the platypus, the penguin, gliding snakes, water spiders, ect. Also, there are open, partial and closed circulatory systems, also different systems of breathing,

One thing to also notice that the larger the change the harder and less probable it would be for that to occur. a 6 legged horse for example. Where as a cat with opposable thumbs (I've had one, name was road rash and there are many cats with them) because it has 6 claws on each hand however is.

Also what about double jointing? People born with a bit of a tail? Some people have naturally sharp teeth and others seem to be dull, or even the formation the teeth are in are different. Some people go bald, others keep a full head of hair, few even have no hair at all. Or albino, color blindness ect. These are traits we see in other people and don't think to mention it.

There are hundreds possibly thousands more mutation we see in humans alone we simply don't take note.

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"The more you learn, the less you know."
 31yrs • M •
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Evolution is the process of change in the inherited traits of a population of organisms from one generation to the next. The genes that are passed on to an organism's offspring produce the inherited traits that are the basis of evolution. Mutations in genes can produce new or altered traits in individuals, resulting in the appearance of heritable differences between organisms, but new traits also come from the transfer of genes between populations, as in migration, or between species, in horizontal gene transfer. In species that reproduce sexually, new combinations of genes are produced by genetic recombination, which can increase the variation in traits between organisms. Evolution occurs when these heritable differences become more common or rare in a population.

natural selection, a process causing heritable traits that are helpful for survival and reproduction to become more common in a population, and harmful traits to become more rare. This occurs because individuals with advantageous traits are more likely to reproduce, so that more individuals in the next generation inherit these traits

genetic drift produces random changes in the frequency of traits in a population. Genetic drift results from the role probability plays in whether a given trait will be passed on as individuals survive and reproduce. Though the changes produced in any one generation by drift and selection are small, differences accumulate with each subsequent generation and can, over time, cause substantial changes in the organisms.

Gene flow is the exchange of genes between populations, which are usually of the same species. Examples of gene flow within a species include the migration and then breeding of organisms, or the exchange of pollen. Gene transfer between species includes the formation of hybrid organisms and horizontal gene transfer.

so it is mutaions, changes to enviorment, ext.. there are many factors.

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""Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth" -oscar wilde"
 37yrs • M •
A CTL of 1 means that allimar is a contributing member of Captain Cynic.
Well said good sir.

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"The more you learn, the less you know."
 31yrs • M •
A CTL of 1 means that CrypticTruth is a contributing member of Captain Cynic.
well said your self, your post is what sparked my thought.

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""Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth" -oscar wilde"
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