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Did the government create AIDS? - Page 2

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 38yrs • F •
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Is the government responsible for creating AIDS?
Well I'd like to direct your attention to an article:

The Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment
The Tuskegee syphilis experiment[1] (also known as the Tuskegee syphilis study or Public Health Service syphilis study) was an infamous clinical study conducted between 1932 and 1972 in Tuskegee, Alabama by the U.S. Public Health Service to study the natural progression of untreated syphilis in poor, rural black men who thought they were receiving free health care from the U.S. government.



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 38yrs • F •
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\Sterilisation: North Carolina grapples with legacy
By Daniel Nasaw
BBC News, Washington

Ms Riddick, now 57, suffered decades of depression and illness
More than 60,000 Americans were sterilised, many against their will, as part of a eugenics movement that finished in 1979, aimed at keeping the poor and mentally ill from having children. Now, decades on, one state is considering compensation.

In 1968, Elaine Riddick was raped by a neighbour who threatened to kill her if she told what happened.

She was 13, the daughter of violent and abusive parents in the desperately poor country town of Winfall, in the US state of North Carolina.

While she was in hospital giving birth, the state violated her a second time, she says.

A social worker who had deemed her "feeble-minded" petitioned the state Eugenics Board to have her sterilised.

Officials coerced her illiterate grandmother into signing an "x" on an authorisation form. After performing a Caesarean section, doctors sterilised her "just like cutting a hog", she says.

"They killed my kids," Ms Riddick says. "They killed mine before they got to me. They stopped it."

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Sterilisation in the UK and Europe

While eugenics is now recognised as a pseudoscience - and after the Nazis, one with murderous consequences - it was once a respectable branch of the social sciences.

The term 'eugenics', meaning "good birth", was coined in 1883 by Sir Francis Galton, an English scientist who pushed the University College London to found a department to study the field.

Sir Winston Churchill once called for forced sterilisation of "the feeble-minded and insane classes".

While eugenic sterilisation never became official policy in the UK - in part due to opposition from the Catholic church - Finland, Norway, and Sweden adopted the sterilisation laws in the 1930s.

Between 1933 and 1945, more than 400,000 Germans were sterilised under Nazi "racial hygiene" laws, according to the US Holocaust Memorial Museum.

Nearly four decades after the last person was sterilised under North Carolina's eugenics programme, a state task force is seeking the 2,900 victims of sterilisation officials estimate are still alive.

The group hopes to gather their stories and ultimately to recommend the state award them restitution. But with public coffers under severe pressure amid a flagging recovery, it is not clear the legislature will agree.

"I know I can't make it right but at least I can address it," said North Carolina state legislator Larry Womble. He hopes "to let the world know what a horrendous thing the government has perpetrated on these young boys and girls".

America's sterilisation movement was part of a broad effort to cleanse the country's population of characteristics and social groups deemed unwanted, an effort that included anti-race mixing and strict immigration quotas aimed at Eastern Europeans, Jews and Italians.

Beginning with Indiana in 1907, 32 states eventually passed laws allowing authorities to order the sterilisation of people deemed unfit to breed. The last programme ended in 1979.

The victims were criminals and juvenile delinquents, women deemed sexual deviants, homosexual men, poor people on welfare, people who were mentally ill or suffered from epilepsy. African Americans and Hispanic Americans were disproportionately targeted in some states.

"In general it was the dispossessed of society," said Paul Lombardo, a historian and legal scholar at Georgia State University and editor of A Century of Eugenics in America.

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Sterilisation petitions

An 18-year-old girl, separated from her husband who had "manifested anti-social behaviour"
A black 25-year-old rape victim who showed "abnormal sexual tendencies"
A 16-year-old girl who had earlier been committed to a state institution for "sexual delinquency" and whose aunt "signed consent"
A white married mother of three, whose family had been "finally dependent for many years" and has "a history of inter-marriage with Indian and Negro"
A 15-year girl deemed "feebleminded"; parents reportedly consented
North Carolina Eugenics Board, 25 October 1950

The laws were plainly coercive, scholars say, though some incorporated a veneer of consent - illiterate farmhands given forms to sign, institutional inmates told they would not be released with their bodies intact, poor parents told they would be denied public assistance if they did not approve the removal of a wayward daughter's fallopian tubes.

Motivating the laws, Prof Lombardo said, was indignation at the thought that people who had violated sexual mores would subsequently end up needing public assistance.

"We have in this country have always been extremely sensitive to notions of public stories of inappropriate sexuality," he said.

"We exercise that most dramatically when it comes to times in which we think we're spending individual tax money to support people who violate those social norms. It's our puritanical background, running up against our sense of individualism."

Supreme Court approval
The racial context was inescapable as well.

"The fewer black babies we have the better, that's what some people said," Prof Lombardo said. "'They're just going to end up on welfare.'"

The state eugenics board issued orders to sterilise poor North Carolinians with bureaucratic efficiency
Also implicated in American sterilisation laws was the classical eugenic notion that as with horses, authorities could use genetic principles to improve society through selective breeding.

In a 1927 US Supreme Court decision that upheld the laws, storied jurist Oliver Wendell Holmes wrote: "It is better for all the world if, instead of waiting to execute degenerate offspring for crime or to let them starve for their imbecility, society can prevent those who are manifestly unfit from continuing their kind."

All told, scholars estimate more than 60,000 Americans were sterilised under eugenics laws in the 20th Century.

North Carolina's law stood out for the wide net it cast.

Telling their stories
Most states would only order sterilisation of institutional inmates or patients, North Carolina's allowed for people within the community - typically social workers - to petition the state to have someone sterilised.

Rep Womble says the eugenics programme "borders on genocide"
Of the 1,110 men and 6,418 women sterilised in North Carolina between 1929 and 1974, state health officials estimate about 2,900 could still be alive.

In the decade years several states have re-examined their forgotten legacies - prodded in some cases by newspaper investigations - and extended officially apologies.

North Carolina did so in 2003, but Mr Womble has continued to push for monetary compensation to the victims.

This month, a state task force created by his legislation will hold a public session at which with surviving victims are expected to tell their stories.

The group will eventually make a recommendation for compensation to the governor - $20,000 per person has been suggested.

But the state is facing a $2.5bn (£1.5bn) budget shortfall. The conservative Republicans in control of the state legislature are already poised to slash transport, healthcare and education funds, so it seems unlikely lawmakers will authorise as much as $58m in reparations.

Some illiterate patients signed an X on forms consenting to be sterilised
"My hope is that the state will recognise that there's never going to be a good time for compensation," says Charmaine Cooper, executive director of the Justice for Sterilization Victims Task Force, the state body.

Among those expected to testify is Ms Riddick, who now lives in Atlanta. She describes the prospect of a $20,000 payment as an insult.

"I am very angry," she says. "God said be fruitful and multiply. They did not only sin against me, they sinned against God."

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 30yrs • M •
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that can't be true because only 40 million people is infected world wide so if its true it was a miserable familiar because it managed to control population numbers only with 0.07% of the world population. anyway in 500 to a 100 years our bodies will be the host of the virus and we will not die so fast of it if we just left it to go its course because we will become a reservoir rather then a sufferer. its just like bats that have rabies, they don't show symptoms because there bodies has started to accommodate the disease rather then fight it.

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 46yrs • M
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It is true, and it is imperfect, its not easy to make a race specific biological agent.

They were after the black people primarily on that one, and that is its primary casualty.

Don't worry, they haven't given up yet. They can't exterminate the up to 90% yet without a few more controls in place.

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 30yrs • M •
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Well a few nights ago i watched V for Vendetta, and i realized that if the U.S created it they would have used it on there own people to say it was terrorist and let the people of the nation stand behind the bush administration. just like 9/11 where the government did it to help the nation fight against Bin Laden, because if America doesn't have a war to fight the economy will not grow!!! the U.S spends over $680 billion on military the second biggest one is the U.K which is $51.66 Billion that is more then 11 times the amount of the second biggest. The U.S spends more then all of the worlds countries together, my point being is that the U.S is a military based economy.

And they only use stuff that is effective like 9/11 and aids is by far not so effective.

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 46yrs • M
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Exactly, not all war is physical, do not dismiss or underplay Psychological warfare and its role.

It has been the predominate method in an age of covet control vs overt.

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 30yrs • M •
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First aubree18 genocide didn't start at Hitler it started long before that, take South Africa in 1903 and a few years before that the Anglo-Boer war between the U.K and the the Boers and they the U.K had concentration camps for the woman and children and the put glass in the porridge to kill them and they killed thousands of people. but if they were not to do so they would certainly have lost against the Boers even thought the Boers were far out numbered they fought with courage and they beat the English at every point because they used Corilla warfare, this type of warfare was also used later in Vietnam.

but back to the subject if they used it as a way to terrify people they failed because they would have to lie about it so much, take for instance how long you can live with it, if you take the Arv's and live healthy you can more then 20 years after infection!!! the question is did you even know this? because if not then i think more Africans are more informed then you.

But yes if you take into account that the HIV virus is fairly big in size virus and this could be the smoking gun as we know it is hard for humans to work on very small stuff so the bigger it is the easier it is. but still in Africa alone there is just under 1 billion people so that is still only one 20th of the population infected never mind that it is all concentrated in sub Sahara Africa, and that lets me think maybe it was to scare the Apartheid South Africa to give up the regime and search help but if it was for that then they also failed. starvation in Africa takes more lives then HIV.

And so by the way the U.S have a massive black budget which is to fund a massive black government that has its fingers in every place and i think it was them, if we did make it, it was them because the South African regime kept there fingers out of that pie and they tried everything to get then selves is there and that is why the Apartheid had to fall. why do you think they had no problem with that Libyan dictator and the other middle east dictators, it is because it is easier to get one person to there group to get the country then to try and get a hole government!!! an the reason why the Iraq war is one is because the Iraq government didn't like to share!!! by letting governments under brain dead dictators sign into that government they can control the world, and is not just the U.S there is also other European countries that help fund this government. why do you think the U.N turns the other way with the Iraq and other American wars if they are the very people that needs to stop it and what about that Rwanda thing were the U.N provided the troops for the war, it is pretty obvious, they want all the world to fall under capitalism so the black government can make the all the world corrupt and control the people with fear!!! even that 2012 thing of the Mayans are inconsistent because the black government doesn't want us to see how they corrupt and infiltrate our governments they want us full of fear for the end of the world. if the U.S and other developed countries just gave away one third of there revenue to Africa starvation and poverty would have been solved half a century ago but they want to keep us starving and dependent on them so we do not question authority!!!

Now if you put that in perspective you see that aids could once have played an important role but now it is just another man made virus and in the greater scheme of things it was but a tool for a once strong regime to corrupt and infiltrate it in order to get control!!!

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 37yrs • F •
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It could be possible because i watched a documentary that show these white people back in the days use to put hypotisis in the sheets that the indians and black slept with.

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 39yrs • M
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The government created the world in six days. They have the right to kill people.

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 64yrs • M •
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Of course they invented it!

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