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2959 Posts / 60M
     :   24yrs   :  
Wyote

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Chicks mostly just piss me off. I don't think I like any man or woman once I really get to know them, but I seem to have developed more centralized hatred toward chicks. They'll take you for everything your're worth if you let them. They are like unstoppable garbage disposal monsters feeding on your time, money and emotions.


"I am Akba-Atatdia"

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2841 Posts / 93M
     :   28yrs   :  
Decius

Wyote, my good man, certainly I have felt the emoticons you feel. Certainly every man has. But certainly, every man has seen their fellow brethren approaching women groin first, bragging about lays, objectifying and insulting, fucking and chucking... The conditioning extends from women to men, and from men to women.

Everyone is part of the machine.

The solution, my good man, is hard as you can, see their inner child. See the child they left behind when they were corrupted. See the child that was fucked over and defected by the parents, the child that yearns for innocent love, the child that has now a completely differentiated persona built upon it... a persona of maliciousness... a persona of viciousness... all the result of the suffering the poor child has suffered.

The solution, is, love the child, love the person's eyes, and understand that they cannot be trusted in their twisted and grotesque form. They may revert, or they may not... but either way, protect yourself and your ability to feel compassion for even the vindictive.


"Hating everyone protects me from elitism."

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2959 Posts / 60M
     :   24yrs   :  
Wyote

Sound advice as always, Decius. Actually, that was the most precise reminder I needed.
Still, nothing is more aggravating than to give of yourself to others only to have it all go to waste... or so it seems sometimes.


"I am Akba-Atatdia"

322 Posts / 27M
     :   37yrs   :  
Chained Wings

Wyote you sound like you are in the exact painful situation I am in at the moment. I am finding this situation very hard to not feel angry and am trying to look at it from the other's point of view. (who just happens to be female.)

So what Decius said I would normally have seen as a very wise and noble way to look at things. But the pain I am in right now, it is a very poignant and timely message for me.

Or .... if that philosophy doesn't work for you, you could just resort to looking at women as pieces of meat with "Lady Humps" and "Women Bumps."

Just joking.


"When I was a child I flew! Then as an adult- I watched others soar."

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2841 Posts / 93M
     :   28yrs   :  
Decius

Unless we believe babies are born evil (which we don't) they are the unfortunate result of their conditioning... you are angry at her because you can't see it... so a little knowledge, thought, logic, will deflate it like a balloon.

You don't want to be angry... it's bad for you, and only you.


"Hating everyone protects me from elitism."

281 Posts / 21M
     :   52yrs   :  
Chiron

But just bearing in mind that our closest friends and partners mirror some aspect of ourselves that we like (or dislike and are unwilling to see in ourselves...)

And the anger is fine, it can be the catalyst for positive change. But I think blame is the glue that guarantees you stay stuck in a gender prejudiced world of 'chicks' and 'blokes' who say "its her, its him, its blah blah blah - everybody else's fault. They did this to me!"

And then your friends get to make you feel better for a bit so that then you can go on and do it all over again if you like. Without ever realizing that you were part and parcel of the whole production in the first place which is a real blinder.


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2959 Posts / 60M
     :   24yrs   :  
Wyote

I should clarify some things. My rant was not the result of a single event in my life, nor was it directed toward any particular woman. It is the result of many years of frustration. With men, I have experienced a sense of loyalty and kinship which women do not appear to posess and they have in fact mocked and ridiculed such bonds that I have made with other men. I realize part of that is due to jealousy, but a greater factor has to due with the differences in how we are conditioned.
I'm just a typical guy who doesn't understand a damn thing about women sometimes... and so this thread was born.


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281 Posts / 21M
     :   52yrs   :  
Chiron

Mmmm, I dunno. I mean I get what you are saying, but I still think you express a good deal of disappointment in your rant. Kind of like you are saying you feel chicks have somehow let you down badly.

Its an illusion to think of such a thing as blokes versus chicks, even if there is different conditioning. The conditioning is no more than any set of beliefs about something which we all have a choice to accept or reject.

I suggest that you may be generally choosing partners who have a crappy attitude towards yourself because on some level you don't feel so good about yourself. We all project what we dont accept about ourselves onto our partners at one time or another. But the trick is to really learn how to love and respect yourself first before you can attract someone who will reflect this kind of love back to you.

And whats to understand about chicks? Nothing. You just need to stick with those people who support, love, and appreciate you, and walk away from those who don't.

We only allow people to treat us like shit when we feel we are somehow deserving of it. Its a tough one I know, but you should feel pissed off and say NO MORE OF THIS I DESERVE MUCH BETTER! Then describe all the qualities that you would like to have in a partner (this is much more difficult than you think).

If you can imagine somebody really loving you and treating you right... what would they be like?


296 Posts / 25M
     :   17yrs   :  
xloobyloox

If you think about it. Maybe it's your expectations towards one woman after the other. When you had a relationship with one woman and she did something bad to you, when you moved onto a new relationship you had some though that this might happen again with her and so you act differently expecting the same thing.

Maybe the next relationship that you have, you should think of as a fresh. Think of it as your first relationship you've EVER had with a girl, subsiding the sex and so forth...dont wanna act a vigin lol

Just think of it as a new don't expect anything bad from her.

Just think good thoughts.

Why go into a relationship that you don't think is going to last?

I've only had one bf and i'm still with him now.

I never just went out with boys for the fun of it.

It takes away the love and romance.


"Why kill the bumblebee when your the pain in the ass?"

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2841 Posts / 93M
     :   28yrs   :  
Decius

xloobyloox: No disrespect but you're 15 - you have one boyfriend because you're 15 (unless you started dating since you were 12, in which case you're in more trouble than anyone).

I sincerely believe that until you've been completely fucked over, and by completely fucked over I mean your heart is in your hand and you're trying to show the other person that it's bleeding and still pulsating for them, and you look at them and just beg them to acknowledge that you care about them, and they then walk away with nothing more than a shrug and apathy, that you can't give relationship or life advice.


"Hating everyone protects me from elitism."

296 Posts / 25M
     :   17yrs   :  
xloobyloox

well i was just giving my point of veiw? why be like that just because someone is young?

I bet if i came on this site as a 25-50year old then no one would of questioned what i said but because people thing "oh ok shes 15 that means she knows nothing about her life because shes young and we've been here longer than her"

I might of not been here as long but that doesn't mean i'm less capable of giving advice.

I didn't say anything about your post advice even though I thought what you said was pointless. I'm just sharing an opinion.

And besides, I was giving advice to Wyote, not you, so its up to him if he chooses to accept the advice or not.

Sorry... you just annoyed me.

p.s and i thanks for the lovely advice about my relationship... you are a nice person aren't you.


"Why kill the bumblebee when your the pain in the ass?"

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2841 Posts / 93M
     :   28yrs   :  
Decius

That's just super.


"Hating everyone protects me from elitism."

529 Posts / 30M
     :   20yrs   :  
ChrisD

quote:
That's just super.


lol


"I try my best to be just like I am but everybody wants you to be just like them."

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2841 Posts / 93M
     :   28yrs   :  
Decius

I know I'm a dick... but seriously xloobyloox ... you have to be bordering on mental to think you can use your relationship experience as a guide to advise someone 10 years older than yourself. Perhaps it is this egocentric behaviour, and the very effect of it being shattered (when you get royally fucked over by your current boyfriend) that creates the very persona in most modern women that Wyote is complaining about.

You see, your boyfriend is going to eventually realize that he wants to boink lots of other girls. This will come on gradually, and you will slowly become insecure as his eyes begin to drift. Eventually, he will find miniscule stupid reasons to get mad at you and you'll cry more and more, until eventually he will say "This relationship isn't good for both of us.", when in actuality his dick wants to chase and jump in lots of other women. He will move on, and you will keep convincing yourself that it was a good relationship and that he cared about you, all the while you find out that he is going around fucking all of your best friends. This knowledge will create a contradiction, and you will end up always feeling like a guy is lying to you (even if he's telling the truth) all because you are so sure THINGS ARE SUPER right now.

So then, when a nice guy like Wyote comes up to you and is like "hey, I really care about you" you're gonna treat him the way you SHOULD be treating your boyfriend right now: Like a disloyal immature child.


"Hating everyone protects me from elitism."

772 Posts / 40M
     :   25yrs   :  
heyjme1

Just remember there is hope beyond truth. In fact, hope changes the 'truth'.

The most important thing said here is the line 'see their inner child' and be free with yours also.


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