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What makes people so angry about the Christian faith?

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1287 Posts / 40M
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Cynic-Al

how so, if she does not have sex she will also not get pregnant. i cannot see any premise i have imagined.

as for doing the right thing by choice instead of through fear, like i said christianity doesnt stop you doing so, it simply gives gidelines that they believe you should follow.

this was never a conversation to start with, it was me getting irritated and the prejudiced attacks made on a subject that various members of this site had made on a subject that hadnt bothered to check they understood first.


"So Schrodinger's Cat is not only neither dead nor alive, but might also be sexually aroused by elbows and peanut butter?"

1687 Posts / 38M
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awakendwraith

She wanted to get pregnant... That one. I never said she didn't want to get pregnant, but it was clear to all outside the two of them that if she did, it would be detrimental to the both of them. Sure, they now have a child they love more than anying else int he whole world, and taht is wonderful on all levels, but it could have waited.

Thats where you are assuming.

My anger is justified and "correct" because the faith that teaches sacrifice and love spawns more hatred and selfishness then any other I have seen. I don't appriciate hypocracy and I dislike vilinous things.


"Wht cry for those that often cry? Instead, help them smile, and smile for those that smile."

1287 Posts / 40M
     :   20yrs   :  
Cynic-Al

the presumption that she wouldnt want to get pregnant is a natural one considering that you said she was onyl 14 when they started. and if she did want to get pregnant, then she would not have gone on the pill even if offered it. i myself believe that if you are going to have sex then protection is recommended unless you are trying for kids. but in this case she was, and therefore your anger at her mother is totally misplaced.

christianity spawns some idiots. but every religion spawns its zealots, and a large majority are not as heavy handed or dogmatic as the zealots. but it is not evil by design, it is evil through peoples misreadings of it. (except bits of leviticus etc but that was a set of rules for jews of that period not for modern day christians, so we dont stone gays or sell our daughters into slavery as it says we may or should)

i personally dont like organised religion much, there is so much wrong with the whole thing, but i find many of the arguements put forward very closed minded and ignorant. yours i understand the reasoning of, but various others have gone out with the intention of getting the wrong end of the stick and beating christianity about the head with it.


"So Schrodinger's Cat is not only neither dead nor alive, but might also be sexually aroused by elbows and peanut butter?"

1687 Posts / 38M
     :   20yrs   :  
awakendwraith

"but in this case she was, and therefore your anger at her mother is totally misplaced."

I disagree. See, her mother didn't even try to persuade her. At all.


"Wht cry for those that often cry? Instead, help them smile, and smile for those that smile."

1334 Posts / 42M
     :   22yrs   :  
summit

For those times when scripture-based Christians try to back out or give up on someone when asked difficult questions/ issues, then according to the bible, christians must patiently debate.

"Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect, keeping a clear conscience, so that those who speak maliciously against your good behaviour in Christ may be ashamed of their slander."
1 Peter 3:15-16

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why is "do not commit adultery" ill-founded advice?

Human's natural state is polyamory and endless suffering results from our suppressing this powerful sexual instinct. A few religions allow multiple wives - do Christians want to offend them?


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the 10 commandments (ie book of leviticus), they are social rules that almost all modern christians would tell you are not the word of god. i challenge you to find any christian who follows the rule about not shaving the hair on the side of their face.

See this is what pisses many people off, that the fact is that the old bibilcal text is overwritten by the new, and a common Christian arguement to say why they aren't as significant now is that it was designed for a nomadic society. Likewise, it is obviosuly seen that the new testament was clearly written for a roman and Jewish audience, so even parts of the New Testament are ignored because it is not relevant to todays' culture. The 10 commandments are supposidely instructions for christians. Realistically, some are merely advice. I challenge any christian to isolate a single moral "absolute" that isn't a contradiction for in the very same book. For instance, in the bible it states "do not steal", yet later in the book we see that people have stolen, under direct orders from God.

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religion is just somewhere they are written down in broad terms
See thats where the problem exists.Cynic, I know what your trying to express, in that all Human beings within their societies gravitate around certain morals. But the problem with christianity is that the reading of morals from the Bible involves in all situatutions a judgement of which morals you find most important - In particular you have to choose which text is most important morally, at the expense of other contrary morals. Which defeats the purpose and intentions of the biblical text in itself. In addition when studying the bible your imagination is forcefully used in order to arrive at any moral at all because of its frequent obscurities. The FACT is, and I think we can conclude together that, as far as religious texts go, they have all been written within cultural contexts and at specific times, sometimes edited over a period of time (such as the Bible). You can't ignore that fact, because the bible has been written according to its historical and social context. In the latter case we end up with a text that was written during times when different morals were dominant amongst society. The other FACT is that the bible is not ONE set of morals. It is many books written over a large time scale and therefore is an agglomeration of different morals from several different cultures. As a result there has been the obvious appearance of many many obscurities and contradictions with the morals laid down within the bible.


"The summit is just a halfway point"

1287 Posts / 40M
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Cynic-Al

im glad we agree, but my other point is that it is not just christianity that has such problems. look at sharia law in islam, to our eyes that seems backward, but due to indoctrination in their countries it doesnt seem it too them and as it is not law in this country no-one notices it. christianity is a minor insult to people in comparison to the absolutes set down by some others. all relgions have commited crimes against humanity (as have most no religions ideological groups), christianity has however ceased to do so.


"So Schrodinger's Cat is not only neither dead nor alive, but might also be sexually aroused by elbows and peanut butter?"

1334 Posts / 42M
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summit

Well as I initially stated- when discussing the reasons for the outrage against the practices of faith it is important to consider as it not only focussing on Christians, but the morass of irrational doctrines. It would be unreasonable and naive for one to consider christianity is a minor insult to people. Christianity, (amongst other dogmatic practices) is responsible for a significant part , if not the largest contribution to faith-based religions (christianity- ~33%, Islam- ~22%, Hinduism- ~15%) in conjunction with the establishment and claims of irrational, unlogical feebleminded absolutes.


"The summit is just a halfway point"

5 Posts / 33M
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The_Wanderer

You are a genius, I must say, Summit.


""The purpose of life is to end""

2203 Posts / 65M
     :   49yrs   :  
okcitykid

Jesus is widely accepted around the word as a great teacher. Rarely however is his teachings so highly respected by the Christian Church. Rather, his teachings have been trumpted by the teachings of Paul who never even met Jesus but claimed to see him in a vision.


"A fool says I know and a wise man says I wonder."

1788 Posts / 65M
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cturtle

I would have to point out that perhaps the greatest flaw in Christianity is the abuse of authority which relates to the general lack of comprehension of bases of the masses of it's beliefs?
During the first cenuries from its beginning, one can not find much blame to lay upon Christians?
If this is a reasonable summation of historical fact then when did Christian belief have wide spread (support) impact upon mankind to produce those ills which you attribute to Christian Beliefs?


"Terrorist or tyrant, few may come to the Truth that both are poor choice."

5 Posts / 28M
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blupigan

its an extremely simple answer as to why people dont like christians. i havent read every post so excuse me if this has already been said. but christians believe that they are right, and not only are they right but they are right for EVERYONE. christians throughout history have declared their religion correct over others. in africa the 'white mans burden' of feeling as if they have to convert people to christianity to help them. its the part of christians processes that believe they are helping someone by changing them and not consdidering the values of their beliefs.

its like someone kicking your ass and taking off your clothes, putting on new ones and saying "there arent you happy i made you look nice, im glad i helped you out and youll be glad one day that i did too. trust me"

its not so much the idea that they believe their religion is correct for everyone, but the pompousness in how they act out that idea on other people and justify it by saying they are helping them. my clothes fits my point to a T


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1788 Posts / 65M
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cturtle

Good point blupigan, historically the disciple's were given to convert others (the Great Commission) but note that they were to go to the Jew first to teach, if or when they did not recieve the teachings then they were to go to the Gentiles and teach. If they were not interested in receiving the teachings then they were to go on. Christian beliefs were never given to be forced upon anyone.
After the fall of the Roman Empire (during what is called the Dark Ages) Christian beliefs (religion) was turned toward the present attitude that force is an acceptable. Mostly, what transpired is those seeking to carve out their own kingdom used the Christian Religion (Great Commision) as justification (sanctification) of their actions.


"Terrorist or tyrant, few may come to the Truth that both are poor choice."

What makes people so angry about the Christian faith?
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