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quote: As I have "already" mentioned, this is not the purpose
Regardless of what you have already mentioned, that is a purpose of it, its just not the only purpose. Your denial of it changes nothing but your understanding of it.
quote: What??? A "natural population control" let me just give you a very delicate piece of information. This is the year 2006, where the natural population controls are stuff that ended from like a gazillion years ago.
First off, did I not say that most natural diseases have been contained or controlled? Yes I did. The point you missed that I was making was that its not necessarily a good thing that natural population control has been contained.
quote: Hello, we are not Kuala’s or anything else. This rule applies to "non-humans" e.g. anything else but humans.
What rule?
quote: You know why? Because we have a more developed brain that allows us to survive better that any other creature. A proof? You exist.
So your rule that does not apply to humans is what, natural population control, yes? A couple of things, one, there are plenty of creatures who have survived as well with or without brains at all. Including the sources of many of the mentioned forms of natural population control, viruses, disease, etc. Lest you forget that many of these are living organisms. Proof, germs, viruses, bacteria that become immune to anti-biotics creating "super viruses and bacteria", creatures such as crockodiles surviving dinosaur extinction etc. etc. This is the year 2006, and people are more afraid of uncrontrollable disease spread than ever, bird flu, mad cow, sars, aids, etc. etc. Another point is that most of the natural forms of human population control don't even affect other species to begin with. And the number one source of human population control, after natural death (because it obviously can't keep up) is still alive, well, and currently spreading like wildfire. And that would of course be human on human violence and malice. Which is a primary point that will later be used in this post as a rebuttal to your desires of blissful ignorance. Ok, I'm going to official ask you to start naming things you are abstractly referrencing due to the fact that there are multiple points of subject matter being noted. Again, if you mean population controlling diseases and what not, you are wrong, they obviously still exist, if you mean people who practice eugenics as a means of attempted racial superiority you are also sadly mistaken. If you mean something else all together please attempt some clarification.
quote: So, if they are going to live, well at least they should live with lesser diseases and lesser suffering, and some benefit to the world. A better proof? The world's population increased from 2 billion in 1927 to 6 billion in 1999. That would mean that the world population increased by 4 BILLION in just 72 years Whoa...
Better proof of what, jesus man. Of the non existance of natural population control, no, this would be the basic non existance of practicing or effective birth control. The diseases, war, violence, and even natural death are still hard at work trying to cull the population. We just breed like freakin rabbits. And FYI, overpopulation will only cause more disease (natural and man made), war, and violence, as well as reduced quality of life. Resources which fuel the science and research you are touting is diminishing, and rapidly. And sadly there may already exist scientific breakthroughs to remedy that situation, but a factor you dismiss as so many do may be at fault, but you will continue to deny it, even if found true perhaps.
quote: However, there is not a single medication on the planet that would EVER be able to remove genetic abnormalities, that is simply impossible. A gene therapy is the only thing that will do, and until today gene therapy is not proven to be pretty reliable and many side effects are caused by it.
This is where it might be a good idea to take some time start thinking about some history, the side of things you are trying to ignore. Like the case with any medicine or attempted solution to a problem, there is only one sure way to properly "cure" something, and that is not by treating symptoms, but finding the source. And though some sources will be, seem, OR BEGIN as perfectly natural, I guarantee you many will end up as created, manipulated, and or abused in some fashion by human hands, intentionally or otherwise. Again heading towards a point on this subject that you seem both offended by and somewhat in denial of.
quote: However, there is not a single medication on the planet that would EVER be able to remove genetic abnormalities, that is simply impossible
Actually no. By definition gene therapy is a form of medicine. And there could indeed be pills "medication" that contain active ingredients that could actually start the chain reaction of creating, reorganizing, genes, protiens, cells, etc. Regardless of how hard it would be to figure out, imagine, or produce currently.
quote: They are lying to promote their not so publicized agenda huh?
No, well not necessarily, I mistakenly was focused on one aspect of eugenics, that unfortunately exists even to this day, and wrecklessly and incorrectly over generalized due to lacking information, to this I concede and apologize. Regardless of innappropriate over generalizations, my points on the subject of eugenics are both valid and important, my original overgeneralization can be corrected by asking you to be wary of those who do not acknowledge this history and to educate those with interest in the field.
quote: I have never seen anyone who believes in the conspiracy theory as you in my entire life.
No conspiracy theory was mentioned. A part of the documented history of eugenics was mentioned. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenics
quote: Try to get it out of your brain from time to time, life is more positive that what you think, truly. All that carcinogenic stuff that you're talking about are true, I know, but why did you have to mention them here, It's not necessary, really.
I see what you are saying, and perhaps I would have approached the thread differently under other circumstances. However I have to dissagree with you about its level of importance. Perhaps it does not need further mention but mention is warranted. Get out of my brain yes, but sometimes people need to be made aware of the dark side of things, particularly when that dark side is showing itself in current real world events. If you notice in the link, eugenics was politicized and incorporated into devastating ideologies that make headlines every day. Not to mention other events that are intentionally kept secret. If you do not think proven and declassified documentation of US Government programs of forced sterilization in pursuit of a twisted version of eugenics within many of our lifetimes, if its not happening in secrecy still at this moment, is important, then I think you are daft. Do I think this should keep us from exploring and rejoycing in scientific achievement, hell no, I love watching fantasy become reality. You simply have to understand, yes, I may need out of my head at times, but specifically Government conspiracy actuality is my current line of research, whereas yours may be the possitive side of eugenics. And regardless of your possitive message that you know not enough people are familiar and educated with, perhaps even incorrectly reactive and bias, I know that there is important information that people are equally if not more so unaware of that they should be, of a unpleasant and dangerous reality of the intentions of some people who happen to have the power and resources to do very bad things, on a very big scale, and get away with it. So oops on my part, but thanks for helping me educate as well. So let me clarify once more in closing, eugenics is not racism. Eugenics is a science or method that includes all viable forms of intervention, manipulation, and control of the development and advancement of the human species and the individual to whatever chosen end. Racism is a politically ideological aspect, and very powerful racists have used or abused eugenics to further their goals of racial domination. As a result, evidence as found in the thread Did the government create AIDS? http://www.captaincynic.com/thread/63097/did_the_government_create_aids .htm Aids itself is said to be proven without doubt, as a US Government (not that that means America was alone in such conquest or in this research) tool to reduce, primarily, the black population of America and the world. And obviously that would mean certain memebers of the US Government. Which is always an important point in the elements of my research of the conspiracy aspect of these things.
"The Greatest Enemy of Knowledge is Not Ignorance, It is the ILLUSION of Knowledge. Stephen Hawking"
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