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First off, did I not say that most natural diseases have been contained or controlled? Yes I did. The point you missed that I was making was that it’s not necessarily a good thing that natural population control has been contained.
Then what you say is that the natural population control for human beings is a good thing and that people should die? Watch for an example an entire population dying with plague and stand still and do nothing? Wow...
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A couple of things, one, there are plenty of creatures who have survived as well with or without brains at all. Including the sources of many of the mentioned forms of natural population control, viruses, disease, etc. Lest you forget that many of these are living organisms
Did you notice the word "survive better"? It means that humans were able to defy nature "to an extent", and became capable of being stronger than the other animals. However, what you've mentioned is not even called the ability to survive, it is called the "natural selection". This link might help, and you can just read the first paragraph to get the whole idea.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_Selection
The idea is that the conditions were favorable for their existence, and that’s how these creatures survived. The case is different with human beings, why? because they have a more developed brain, that’s it. And I'm talking about nowadays, with technology everywhere, any event before it should not be put under this category and just to add to your info, were living in a sort of a "technological world"
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Proof, germs, viruses, bacteria that become immune to antibiotics creating "super viruses and bacteria", creatures such as crocodiles surviving dinosaur extinction etc. etc.
Now that point had nothing to do with what you are saying. Actually you prove that the natural population control has no effect if it is taken from your point, since that all these organisms survived, right? And just to add to your info, the process of the formation of the "super viruses and bacteria" is way far more complicated than you could ever imagine. As a fact it concerns many factors. And one of them is the use of the antibiotics itself, as these antibiotics sometimes destroy and alter the bacterium's/virus's DNA to make many new mutations. Sometimes, these mutations are effective and sometimes they are defective, that plus MANY other things share in the formation of these bacteria and viruses. So, when talking about the unicellular world, try to understand that they have the highest rate of mutations and exposure to natural selection. This is completely different from that multicellular world of ours, so in this point, you are wrong.
And about those disease that the whole world is afraid of, some of them can be treated "like SARS", and some of them are under research, and most of them can be treated in early stages. And a proof that SARS can be treated is this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Severe_Acute_Respiratory_Syndrome#Treatmen
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Another point is that most of the natural forms of human population control don't even affect other species to begin with.
I didn't get that point, really. Please elaborate.
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And the number one source of human population control, after natural death (because it obviously can't keep up) is still alive, well, and currently spreading like wildfire.
And that would of course be human on human violence and malice. Which is a primary point that will later be used in this post as a rebuttal to your desires of blissful ignorance.
Why are you so desperate from humans? and why do I feel that you have nothing towards them except hatred and despise? Humans will always be humans, that's how they are created. And just to add to your info, you're a human too.
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Which is a primary point that will later be used in this post as a rebuttal to your desires of blissful ignorance.
Mmm, blissful ignorance, lets see. Do you mean by what you said, that ignorance is bliss? So if it’s bliss, then why don't you live in it? However, in my opinion, I would call it " having concrete conclusions, with concrete evidence and not going to chase some sort of illusion, which might be true or not"
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if you mean population controlling diseases and what not, you are wrong
Well, believe it or not, new ones "emerge" and old ones "mutate" from one time to another, so all that happens is that scientists try to find cures and to "keep up" with the whatever disease and this is considered to be hard, and that is the reason of the bad reputation of the incurability of diseases.
Another thing,
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if you mean people who practice eugenics as a means of attempted racial superiority you are also sadly mistaken
Let me tell you this once more, this is not the goal nowadays. And even if there are "people" who use eugenics in "evil" purpose, that wouldn't be their goal, Attempting racial superiority now is a pointless thing. However, I don't know what might show up in the future so don't mention the future when talking about it. Those guys "conspirators" are a whole lot more intelligent than that if they exist...
And what did you mean by Jesus man? Look, I don't believe that religion is a good thing or even a nice ideology, so just let us make that topic non-religious at all, so that it could be easy, clear, and with no bias. Please nobody turn that topic to a religious one.
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Of the non existence of natural population control, no, this would be the basic non existence of practicing or effective birth control. The diseases, war, violence, and even natural death are still hard at work trying to cull the population. We just breed like freakin rabbits.
Let me tell you one thing, in this point you are EXTREMELY wrong. In fact, reproduction rate decreased in the 20th century very much than it used to be. The whole difference is that health care got improved vastly that everyone has a higher life expectancy nowadays, which made the death rate decrease and the world population increase, that is the reason, not anything
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And you made a great point when you mentioned that over-population causes many problems. However, this has a very little thing to do with the subject. The world's population is increasing no matter what, so let those people be functional, and have some purpose in life, and live with a point.
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Resources which fuel the science and research you are touting is diminishing, and rapidly. And sadly there may already exist scientific breakthroughs to remedy that situation, but a factor you dismiss as so many do may be at fault, but you will continue to deny it, even if found true perhaps.
What are the resources? And how are they diminishing? And what is the idea? History? Well, Let's talk about history...
First of all, eugenics was invented many years before WW2, and its purpose was the "good" one, but it was with a not-so-good methods. At that time, there was nothing like gene therapy and the focus was not on making a superior race but rather a better race from all perspectives. And just as you said, in your last post, the Nazi regime used it as a means of spreading the Arian race all over the globe and nothing more, at that time Eugenics has been in the wrong hands, which made it gain that horrible reputation. Also, that sterilization policy was only because there wasn't any other means for decreasing the number of retarded people, but with the Nazi regime, this is what has happened, and this is where eugenics started having that horrible reputation.
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And though some sources will be, seem, OR BEGIN as perfectly natural, I guarantee you many will end up as created, manipulated, and or abused in some fashion by human hands, intentionally or otherwise.
And here you talk back again about the theory of conspiracy... this is hopeless, it is not what we are talking about in here, it's not that hard. And what do you mean by creation and manipulation? Some sort of that Dark Angel TV show kind of thing? This has nothing to do with eugenics, if even existed; this has to do with the Human Genome Project, something way bigger than eugenics.
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Actually no. By definition gene therapy is a form of medicine. And there could indeed be pills "medication" that contain active ingredients that could actually start the chain reaction of creating, reorganizing, genes, proteins, cells, etc. Regardless of how hard it would be to figure out, imagine, or produce currently.
It's impossible by any means that you could use chemicals when conducting gene therapy, why? Because gene therapy needs an active vector to transmit the whatever genes for replacing the undesired genes, these vectors are viruses that's because that the application of the therapy is to replace these genes by copying them from the viruses DNA to the targeted DNA, no other way is available and chemicals are completely out of discussion.
How you mention all the big shots in the U.S.A and all their black projects. This is mentioning the conspiracy theory, or is this is another thing that I'm unaware of?
Also, the sterilization yes happens, but only to retarded people so that they won't pass their genes even in a recessive form. Also, when you were talking about the use of eugenics in a racial way, this has almost stopped since WW2, almost 60 years ago so let's move on. And also, why reduce the black population? What threat do they make? They are harmless, totally.
And to Summit, Eugenics is a forced evolution. So, it is not a reversal for it, and before you talk about evolution try to understand it first. Evolution is the upgrading of organisms to face the new condition and to survive better. And reducing biodiversity is not a bad thing. As a fact, many diseases can be contained and treated more easily and separately, like the sickle cell anemia for an example. Another thing with that is with eugenics you become able to control the gene flow, not reducing or increasing it. Eugenics actually works ON the creation of better people nowadays, by recombining their DNA, as a fact, the recombinant DNA technology project started since the 1980s, and that should mean that there must be some sort of control on the subject, or am I wrong? I mean that it seems that it is kind of old. Also, recombinant DNA technology will ease the process entirely and will make people more adaptable in unfavorable conditions, and with science it might even reach the stage of making them auto-trophs, e.g. creating their own food by themselves. And who knows? maybe with science it might happen...
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