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Chances are high when it comes to rape

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856 Posts / 42M
     :   21yrs   :  
Jacker_Jones

quote:
A hammered person cannot consent. Therefore it doesn't matter what she said because clearly she was not in her right mind.


With that logic than no one has responsibility for anything while being intoxicated.


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1347 Posts / 42M
     :   23yrs   :  
etherealmeekle

quote:
With that logic than no one has responsibility for anything while being intoxicated.


If you get drunk and do something illegal that is your responsibility. However if a woman is drunk it is assumed that she did not consent to sex. This is where the law has difficulty equally protecting people.


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856 Posts / 42M
     :   21yrs   :  
Jacker_Jones

Ok that makes no sense. Then it would be assumed that you don't consent to anything. If that were law, then the defense would work both ways. Why would a woman have no responsibility while a man does, especially since both are in the same frame of mind? To say that would mean that men are superior to women, which is obviously not true.


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1347 Posts / 42M
     :   23yrs   :  
etherealmeekle

quote:
Under Canadian law, consent is deemed not to be obtained if:


"the agreement is expressed by the words or conduct of a person other than the complainant", or

"the complainant is incapable of consenting to the activity, i.e. blacked out, impaired by alcohol or narcotics, unconscious, sleeping", or

"the accused induces the complainant to engage in the activity by abusing a position of trust, power, or authority", or

"the complainant expresses, by words or conduct, a lack of agreement to engage in the activity", or

"the complainant, having consented to engage in sexual activity, expresses, by words or conduct, a lack of agreement to continue to engage in the activity."


quote:
Some people believe it is OK to force a person to have sex:

if the person hitchhikes

if the person is thought to be "a tease" or "loose"

if a woman goes braless

if the person pets

if the person gets drunk

if the person goes to the aggressor's home

if the person "leads them on"

if the person dresses in a way that is considered sexy or provocative

if the person "turns them on"

if a woman asks a man out

if they spend money on the person

In fact, forcing a person to have sex under any of these conditions is sexual assault



http://www.ualberta.ca/dept/health/public_html/healthinfo/sacan.htm


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2866 Posts / 94M
     :   28yrs   :  
Decius

Ignore ethereal. He doesn't exist in a plane of reality.

Sex is a vague term, as is "consensual". Jacker is entirely correct in his realistic view of the situation. Feminist groups as well as feminists have much to gain by screaming rape.

Women who are violently raped versus ones that are intoxicated and aren't sure what they are doing should not be able to scream rape. It is similar to a person wearing a gold chain in a bad part of the city: he's just an idiot for doing that if he gets robbed.

Certain realities exist in this world, and if one is unwilling to face them then he or she should not be congratulated for their stupidity. Frat boys like to fuck drunk girls, so if you get drunk and pass out in a frat boy's bed, you've put yourself at unnecessary risk. Even if you get slipped a date rape drug, you put a drink in your mouth that you weren't certain about.

Women who ARE careful and don't take risks don't suffer the same conseqences are stupid girls. Why should stupid girls be protected from their own stupidity?

No one creates a support group called "Retarded jackasses that wear 'I hate Niggers' signs in New York" and lets them cry on their shoulder for their horrible fate.

Should you get stabbed for hating black people? Of course not! Will you? Probably.

Should you be raped for dressing like a whore, geting drunk, and passing out in a questionable location? Of course not! Will you? Probably.

Both situations are identical in nature, yet one group is beaten because of their sutpidity and the other group is congratulated for bravery.

If a woman takes "reasonable" efforts to protect herself from commonly accepted situations that lead to rape, the odds of her being raped are next to nothing. Violent rapes from people who are strangers are a bare minimum of the rape groups.

That means that most women that are raped are non-violently raped by people they know. If they know them, then they have pre-cursor to the event, and did not take precautions.

Hence, I conclude, that most women who are raped are stupid and should have intelligence beaten into them rather than congratulated, just like a moron hating black people in a black neighbourhood would.

Violently raped women deserve support, understanding and compassion. Ones that do not seek to use this as a means of excusing their stupidity.

These statistics are totally biased and overblown.... provided with the widest definition of rape, with little to no consideration placed on the responsibility that lies with the supposed victim.


"Hating everyone protects me from elitism."

1347 Posts / 42M
     :   23yrs   :  
etherealmeekle

quote:
Why should stupid girls be protected from their own stupidity?


Why should anyone be protected from anything? Why is it that the girls need to be more careful? Why can't guys be more responsibile?

By the way Decius did you decide to just give up on the empathy thing or do you just pick which people are good enough for you to empathize with?


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2866 Posts / 94M
     :   28yrs   :  
Decius

You're an argumentative tool that pollutes all discussions with your personal desire to defend your ridiculous beliefs. Your goal is not truth. I have empathized with you, and determined that since your desire is ego rather than truth, you must be squelched. It is a very well thought out decision. This is why I have reduced your post limit.

As for your question, here is an un-debateable answer:

Stupidity has no limits, and therefore, no one can legally be protected from it. In order to protect people from their own stupidity, people would have to be watched 24 hours a day so they don't stick a fork in their head.

As a result of this fact, the only alternative is to permit people to be responsible for their own stupidity, and suffer the consequences of their own stupidity.

THe only alternative is 1984.


"Hating everyone protects me from elitism."

1687 Posts / 40M
     :   20yrs   :  
awakendwraith

quote:
Hence, I conclude, that most women who are raped are stupid and should have intelligence beaten into them rather than congratulated, just like a moron hating black people in a black neighbourhood would.

Violently raped women deserve support, understanding and compassion. Ones that do not seek to use this as a means of excusing their stupidity.

a little off topic, but how could you decide which was which?
with being unndeniably accurate.


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2203 Posts / 67M
     :   49yrs   :  
okcitykid

This is a very strange subject - one I must admit I like to stay away from, because this is a double edge sword.

I've seen women who would dress provocativly, make come ons and put themselves in compromising situations - and I have to believe that they do it on purpose so that they can cry foul and get their settlement or advancement.

On the otherhand, I've seen unsuspecting women get railroaded because they wouldn't put out or dress provicative or even go out on a date - these are the ones usually targeted by a rapest and they usually don't say anything.

I read this study that was done. Rapist go after weak women and usually leave the bold women alone.

So the law, while it trys to be just ends up doing the opposite. Bolder women take advantage of it and use it as leverage usually against men who usually would not rape a women, because the rapest rarely moves against a bold women.

While victims of actual rape or incest usually keep silent, because they are the weaker women who rarely speak up.

We need to bring back old traditions. Boys should be raised up to act like gentlemen and girls should be raised to act like ladies.

It might seem like yuk to a lot of us, but I believe it is the only solution.


"A fool says I know and a wise man says I wonder."

856 Posts / 42M
     :   21yrs   :  
Jacker_Jones

Don't play with matches if you don't want to get burned. I think that's how the saying goes.

What I mean by that is if someone plays with them are they more responsible then someone who gets burned in a random fire. Which of the two are more likely to occur. Exactly someone who takes precautions are not at fault and someone that doesn't and is careless is more. The fire is a metaphor for rape.


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