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Where does the material from black holes go?

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 34yrs • M •
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Where does the material from black holes go?
so a black hole basically somewhere with a strong enough gravity pull that light itself cannot escape, which is caused by the deaths of large stars....but whats crazy is that black holes retain their mass, and if there is material from a close enough star, debris falls into the black hole, adding to the mass.

so whats there? i guess it seems as if the material really is there, its light is just not present, but i mean where does that light go? damn that shits a trip

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"down to smoke a bowl?"
 31yrs • M •
A CTL of 1 means that St. Jimmy is a contributing member of Captain Cynic.
Thank you high school chemistry, it's made up of the nucleus's of atoms. the electrons get stripped of every atom that enters the hole. light can't escape becasue the gravitational pull of the hole is too great. it's strange that it's called a hole though, because it's not really a hole, but more like a star or planet, except with much more gravity.

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"He who does not question is lost."
 32yrs • M •
A CTL of 1 means that Ancient is a contributing member of Captain Cynic.
It gets shot out another point in space... kinda like a worm hole but not fun.

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"Dark and silent and complete."
 31yrs • M •
A CTL of 1 means that lastresort is a contributing member of Captain Cynic.
i laugh at your attempts to answer his question...

the answer is we simply don't know.

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 37yrs • M •
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I may have missed the point so excuse me if I have.

Could it be that blck holes are just sper-condensed forms of mass. Therefore when mass becomes super confined and the space about it whirls up to contain it then what is happening is that as mass adds so the space curves even more around it until it becomes almost, but not entirely, wrapped up in its own little zonation. As more mass acretes you get more gravitational pull and this increses inthis order until light can't escape. Now all that light cant escape the pull but the matter is there just in super-condensed form within or about a space which is very curved.

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""No words""
 34yrs • M •
A CTL of 1 means that summit is a contributing member of Captain Cynic.
Remember, black holes may be portals, or doors, or anything (as Ancient mentioned). This is not well understood by scientists yet though. It may be true that wormholes don't exist at all.

It has also been suggested that black holes are the birthplaces of other universes. Thats what I like to believe, because it would explain why the forces of gravity, electromagnetism, etc, have the strengths they do in our universe, which are compatible with the evolution of life in the universe.

Afterall according to our current knowledge the material of black holes eventually evaporates by a process called Hawking radiation (after Stephen Hawking). Its kinda crazy. We know this because in quantum mechanics, energy may always be borrowed from the vacuum, but it must be repaid quickly. So this means that matter can be vaccumed up or regurgitated. So basically the greater the amount borrowed, the quicker it must be repaid.

No light of any kind, including X-rays, can escape from inside the event horizon of a black hole. Some black holes have a mass greater than a few billion solar masses, which is almost incomprehensible. Common sense would say, that the mass is obviously going somewhere else. Yet, no matter is created nor destroyed, it just changes in form.

Anyway, the ultimate answer to your question danman2_2999 is we don't know currently. We don't know because we can't perceive anything that escapes. Why? because when material enters a black hole it doesn't disappear, but it will no longer be visible to an outside observer, because light cannot escape beyond the event horizon of the black hole.

Anyway, we can be thankful that there is no danger of the Earth (located 25,000 light years away from the Milky Way's black hole) being pulled in.

Hope that helps.

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"The summit is just a halfway point"
 29yrs • M •
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The matter that is unfortunate enough to go into a black hole can do several things:

A) Get sucked in a stored in an infinite amount of space
B) Get shot out the other end and in to a different part of space or a different universe
C) Dissapear utterly and completly
D) Other

Many Theroys exist but mankind still does not know

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"Bad things to hear in a submarine: "Captain, the flooding put out the fire!!""
 32yrs • M •
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shame light cnt escape, otherwise it would be possible to study what goes on, and it would be a waste of time sending anything into one. i like the idea of wormholes through space, but i think that if you did go through a black hole, whatever came out at the other end wouldnt be reconisable as you.

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"So Schrodinger's Cat is not only neither dead nor alive, but might also be sexually aroused by elbows and peanut butter?"
 38yrs • M •
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With respect to non rotating black holes the swartschild solution suggests all matter is inexorably drawn to the infinitesimal singularity. With rotating black holes the solutions give us a ring shaped singularity and moving through it can indeed send you to "other" times and places. The problem is both of these solutions are obtained by terrible approximations to the general relativity equations. Indeed they are obtained by assuming a vacuum and finding a solution with a singularity because by assuming a vacuum you require all mass to occupy infinitesimal points. In short it may very well just sit there with in the event horizon in some finite volume with finite density. The equations have not been properly solved so no ones sure

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 43yrs • M •
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I have read all the answers/questions/theories posted here... Can anyone supply a little more depth or fact to their posts? Has anyone studied this from an astronomical observation angle? How about a mathematical/physics angle?

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"Live a good, honorable life. Then when you get older and think back, you'll enjoy it a second time"
 28yrs • M •
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here is a theory i have learned about in school:

there is an invisible line surrounding a black hole.if this line is crossed by any form of matter, that thing is is not coming back.it is a "point of no return".

as the object gets closer to the "hole", it streches, known as spegettification.

if anyone was whatching this happen (from a safe distance) time would start to slow down for the object inside the black hole, and eventually stop;on the other hand,if you were the object in the hole looking back at the person,time for that person would stop(not acctually stop,but get so slow,it would practicly be stoped).

if you were the object,you would continue to be sucked into an infinint abyss.


or you could just belive the simpson episode where Homer enters the 5th dimention, makes a black and gets sucked in, and ends up in the real world.

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"If You Aint Ammo, You Aint Shit."
 32yrs • M
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I can't believe how many people on this thread actually believe what they see in cartoons. To think a black hole would spit you in another space and time is immediately shot down even by the limited knowledge we have of black holes. With the observations we've gathered about them, the gravitational force from a black hole would not allow anything that enters it to retain its form in the slightest.

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"The truth will set you on fire"
 32yrs • M
A CTL of 1 means that ChrisD is a contributing member of Captain Cynic.
Wouldn't seeing nothing be seeing something?

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"The truth will set you on fire"
 68yrs • M •
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Hmm . . . the problem being the statement of closure!
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To think a black hole would spit you in another space and time is immediately shot down even by the limited knowledge we have of black holes. With the observations we've gathered about them, the gravitational force from a black hole would not allow anything that enters it to retain its form in the slightest.

If some super dense dark matter exist & attacts all matter => energy into it,
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{or the gravitational Constant isn't constant and therefore dark matter exist where gravitational attraction is greater? ?}

then that enrgy has been changed in form but it is still present relative to our existence.

Hmm . . .may be the dark (matter) holes are the dark side of the sun (stars)? Eh . . . as far as that goes it being relative then as we exist as an extension of our elemental parts then our elementary nature is also an extension of our composite being?
Therefore our universe is an extension of our particle nature of our individual cellular being! That which seems to extend beyond us, is as much of an extension of our being, as we are an extension of its being or existence?
Could the Milky Way just the extension of our being or existence at the molecular level?
Well, we know that science states the laws which are defined by our existence are valid for the closed set of our existence & that similar functions formed have similar traits.
ie. the form of the mathematical model are constant but attributes are defined by the particular function under discussion . . . molecular concentrations of parcipitate formations, acid / base equilibrium, etc.

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"Terrorist or tyrant, few may come to the Truth that both are poor choice."
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 68yrs • M •
A CTL of 1 means that cturtle is a contributing member of Captain Cynic.
The striking similar formulation between electromagnetic & gravity suggest that these phenomenas share a similar source? The inverse square of distance is relative ly the same functional value then one could consider that they have other similarities.
Science provides that a gravitational constant exist; then is there a similar electromagnetic constant? The value of attraction of gravity is proportional to distance & mass so as electromagnetic field is flux density => then does gravitational values depend upon a gravitational flux density?
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Old school teachers used bar magnets placed behind (beniegh) a piece of paper & used iron filings to produce a visual representation of the lines of force of the magnetic field
Well as long as poles are relative to the plane of the paper when the pole is held perpendicular, the filings simply are attracted to the pole. Hmm . . . I wonder could gravity have poles similar to magnets (at the atomic level)? But that would be rediculous, because of the structure of atoms, a cental core of inertial mass & positive charge shielded by a negative charge?
Ah, where does the flux density its highest value? Where the lines of force converge to pass through the core of the magnet .Then the greatest value for gravitational fluxy should exist where the lines of force pass through their core?
but then science doesn't conceive gravitational field as it relates to electromagnetic field?

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