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Where does the material from black holes go?

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38 Posts / 39M
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danman2_2999

Where does the material from black holes go? [+ favourites]

so a black hole basically somewhere with a strong enough gravity pull that light itself cannot escape, which is caused by the deaths of large stars....but whats crazy is that black holes retain their mass, and if there is material from a close enough star, debris falls into the black hole, adding to the mass.

so whats there? i guess it seems as if the material really is there, its light is just not present, but i mean where does that light go? damn that shits a trip


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350 Posts / 44M
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St. Jimmy

Thank you high school chemistry, it's made up of the nucleus's of atoms. the electrons get stripped of every atom that enters the hole. light can't escape becasue the gravitational pull of the hole is too great. it's strange that it's called a hole though, because it's not really a hole, but more like a star or planet, except with much more gravity.


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210 Posts / 36M
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Ancient

It gets shot out another point in space... kinda like a worm hole but not fun.


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220 Posts / 42M
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lastresort

i laugh at your attempts to answer his question...

the answer is we simply don't know.


772 Posts / 42M
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heyjme1

I may have missed the point so excuse me if I have.

Could it be that blck holes are just sper-condensed forms of mass. Therefore when mass becomes super confined and the space about it whirls up to contain it then what is happening is that as mass adds so the space curves even more around it until it becomes almost, but not entirely, wrapped up in its own little zonation. As more mass acretes you get more gravitational pull and this increses inthis order until light can't escape. Now all that light cant escape the pull but the matter is there just in super-condensed form within or about a space which is very curved.


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1334 Posts / 44M
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summit

Remember, black holes may be portals, or doors, or anything (as Ancient mentioned). This is not well understood by scientists yet though. It may be true that wormholes don't exist at all.

It has also been suggested that black holes are the birthplaces of other universes. Thats what I like to believe, because it would explain why the forces of gravity, electromagnetism, etc, have the strengths they do in our universe, which are compatible with the evolution of life in the universe.

Afterall according to our current knowledge the material of black holes eventually evaporates by a process called Hawking radiation (after Stephen Hawking). Its kinda crazy. We know this because in quantum mechanics, energy may always be borrowed from the vacuum, but it must be repaid quickly. So this means that matter can be vaccumed up or regurgitated. So basically the greater the amount borrowed, the quicker it must be repaid.

No light of any kind, including X-rays, can escape from inside the event horizon of a black hole. Some black holes have a mass greater than a few billion solar masses, which is almost incomprehensible. Common sense would say, that the mass is obviously going somewhere else. Yet, no matter is created nor destroyed, it just changes in form.

Anyway, the ultimate answer to your question danman2_2999 is we don't know currently. We don't know because we can't perceive anything that escapes. Why? because when material enters a black hole it doesn't disappear, but it will no longer be visible to an outside observer, because light cannot escape beyond the event horizon of the black hole.

Anyway, we can be thankful that there is no danger of the Earth (located 25,000 light years away from the Milky Way's black hole) being pulled in.

Hope that helps.


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56 Posts / 36M
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RocketTed

The matter that is unfortunate enough to go into a black hole can do several things:

A) Get sucked in a stored in an infinite amount of space
B) Get shot out the other end and in to a different part of space or a different universe
C) Dissapear utterly and completly
D) Other

Many Theroys exist but mankind still does not know


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1309 Posts / 42M
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Cynic-Al

shame light cnt escape, otherwise it would be possible to study what goes on, and it would be a waste of time sending anything into one. i like the idea of wormholes through space, but i think that if you did go through a black hole, whatever came out at the other end wouldnt be reconisable as you.


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167 Posts / 33M
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CodeWarrior

With respect to non rotating black holes the swartschild solution suggests all matter is inexorably drawn to the infinitesimal singularity. With rotating black holes the solutions give us a ring shaped singularity and moving through it can indeed send you to "other" times and places. The problem is both of these solutions are obtained by terrible approximations to the general relativity equations. Indeed they are obtained by assuming a vacuum and finding a solution with a singularity because by assuming a vacuum you require all mass to occupy infinitesimal points. In short it may very well just sit there with in the event horizon in some finite volume with finite density. The equations have not been properly solved so no ones sure


134 Posts / 41M
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tommybc98

I have read all the answers/questions/theories posted here... Can anyone supply a little more depth or fact to their posts? Has anyone studied this from an astronomical observation angle? How about a mathematical/physics angle?


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2866 Posts / 94M
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Decius

There is no difinitive answer as to where matter goes after it is drawn to a black hole.

However, one very important missconception that must be removed is the idea that you can pass through a black hole.

The gravitational pull is so strong that if you fell towards one, as you got closer the atoms in your feet would be pulled too fast for the rest of your atoms to hold onto them. So as you got closer to a black hole you would "disintegrate" into your individual atomic pieces.

This provides the interesting idea that everything that enters a black hole enters it in a completely basic natural state. This could also lead to the idea that millions of loose atoms compressed into a small space would create reactions and if indeed they are delivered anywhere else in the universe, it is feasible that they would be in completely different forms.

Ths spiritual aspect of this mimicks the Budhist idea of life and death: When we die we are broken down into our most basic form and then recreated using new pieces that are created from old pieces that used to be parts of the same machine, just re-arranged.


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525 Posts / 39M
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Oblivion

here is a theory i have learned about in school:

there is an invisible line surrounding a black hole.if this line is crossed by any form of matter, that thing is is not coming back.it is a "point of no return".

as the object gets closer to the "hole", it streches, known as spegettification.

if anyone was whatching this happen (from a safe distance) time would start to slow down for the object inside the black hole, and eventually stop;on the other hand,if you were the object in the hole looking back at the person,time for that person would stop(not acctually stop,but get so slow,it would practicly be stoped).

if you were the object,you would continue to be sucked into an infinint abyss.


or you could just belive the simpson episode where Homer enters the 5th dimention, makes a black and gets sucked in, and ends up in the real world.


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563 Posts / 32M
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ChrisD

I can't believe how many people on this thread actually believe what they see in cartoons. To think a black hole would spit you in another space and time is immediately shot down even by the limited knowledge we have of black holes. With the observations we've gathered about them, the gravitational force from a black hole would not allow anything that enters it to retain its form in the slightest.


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Decius

Let's also remember one important fact: Light does not escape black holes. This means that you can never see a black hole or anything that is beyond the "point of not return" of light because no light bounces back to your eyes to create an image.


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563 Posts / 32M
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ChrisD

Wouldn't seeing nothing be seeing something?


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